I would agree that a unit cannot be called elite when they have not seen battle but I think we would agree that the 12th has earned that status. All of the Waffen SS units were a shadow of their former selves. At the end of the war even the Grossdeutschland was not what it use to be but that does not mean that it was not considered an elite unit. I consider the 12th and elite unit as do others here judging by the list on Friedrich's post of the top 10 units. I respect your opinion but stand by mine. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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