Tell me about it. Take the battle for the Seelowe Heights which are about 30 miles from Berlin. Ive read some very interesting stories about how outnumbered the Germnas were for example: the Russiane outnumbered them some 40 to 1 in men, some 5 to 1 in aircraft, some 10 to 1 in armor and 15 to 1 in artillery.

Anyway, in just one small German unit defending the heights. There were 11 Russian assaults launched against these men numbering around 600 troopers.

After the first several assaults failed, the Russians used a massive artillery barrage which killed appx half this small unit on th eheights. Then an Officer from this unit led his men in an immediate attack on the Russian tank forces which knocked out I think 18 T-34's and JS 1's.

The Russians launched another attack which enveloped these few men, there was hand to hand combat which resulted in the Germans being swamped and only a handfull of these men made it back to the heights and were incorporated into another unit.

This sort of thing went on and on during this battle and you can get a "picture" of how the Germans were ground down during the battle.

If the Germans had had 1 or 2 full strength divisions employed there, I should think that the Russians would have never reacher the Seelowe Heights. The only way I could see the russians doing so would be to completely overwhelm the Germans and sending their entire forces set for berlin, to roust these Germans from there. This would result in the Russians possibly losing most of their entire tank forces in taking this position. When the heights were finally taken from the Germans, it is estimated that the Russians had lost appx 1/2 their armor.

Had these German forces been better equipped and with Tiger and Panzers, its quite possible that the Russians could have been stopped but, these Gereman froces were not available as we know and or had already been splitup or destroyed.

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