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Originally posted by Rommel:

Every mainstream estimate I have seen about the deaths caused by stalin are around 30 million, but I've read as high as 40 million.
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Does this 30 million include the Soviet casualties during 1941 to 1945? I mean, including these would be nonsense: Similarly one could say the KIA U.S. soldiers at Pearl Harbor were not a victim of Japanese aggression, but of the blunder of U.S. Intelligence.

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Also, many russians died during the war because of Stalin's ridiculous purges of the officer corps in the Red Army. Stalin even condoned anti-Jewish pogroms and all this on his own people!.
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Isn’t it a sad, but true fact that as long a dictator puts terror on his own people we tend to don’t give a shit for it, but if he starts killing “our” people, he turns to be a monster? The difference is that Stalin’s terror was limited to his area of influence, while Hitler did too, AND invaded other countries to put his terror on these.

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Both men were absolute monsters, but at least Hitler was fairly decent to most germans.
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Unless this Germans were unlucky enough of being either jewish, a gipsy, a homosexual, a criminal or mentally disabled, a Communist, a Pacifist, an Alcoholic, a members of Christian a sect, a returned emigrant, a drug addicted, someone who didn’t want to work, part of the left intelligentsia (whatever that means), a social democrat, a child refusing to join the Hitler Youth, a farmer who left his farm or someone who had the bad luck of being accused of making jokes mocking or criticizing national socialism or Herrn Hitler (truthfully or not), short everyone who was conspicuous of being a “unworthy element” or a thread to the nazi regime or Herrn Hitler personally.

This, plus the 3 M killed German soldiers, the other 3 M killed German civilians and the 18 M Germans expulsed from their homeland (of which 2 M died), the irreversible loss of East Prussia, Pommerania and Silesia, not to count the billions of billions worth damage caused by starting this %&$ war.

16 % of the German population died because of Hitler. Very decent indeed.


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