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Old August 12th, 2002, 03:05 PM
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Agreed, Andreas. Back to some intelligent discussion! The logistics issue frustrates me, because I study it alot, whereas much historiography on ww2 seems only concerned with Rommel and Stanlingrad, etc etc,.

RedBaron is getting at my main idea here. Germany was way too dependent on synthetic oil. And as an aside, from what I've read (which is not defeinitive, so we could look for better info), the process of creating syntheitc oil from coal was inefficient and costly for the yield recieved.
But more to my point- RedBaron points out the difficulties Germany had with fuel, and I think he's right on- Germany BARELY had enough fuel throughout the war. THEN, combine this shortage with all the other resources needed for war. Tungsten- that was one that really hurt. Among other things, AP and FlaK ammunition require large amounts of Tungsten- amounts that germany had to import. Even more common (to us, anyway!) was copper- required for any electrical wiring and many other things realted to armaments. Germany also repeatedly, especially in 44, suffered from copper shortages. Molybendum- required for high grade steel, and VERY rare. Manganese- the list goes on and on. And germany had no consistent supply of any of the above.
And the main problem with all this is, ALL the resources like the above were necessary-wether in small or large quntities, all were needed. In some cases, germany was able to work around shortages. But quality often suffered. And there were shortages that could not be worked around- like fuel and steel.
Decreasing civilian production would have had some effect, but there still would have been the resource issue, because most civilian production did not utilize as many resources. Slowing Civilian production would have had some impact on some of the resources, like making more copper and rubber available. But the problems germany had with some of the more "exotic" resources would still have remained.
So, IMHO, any scenario relating to increased production for germany has major problems because of these resource shortages. I do think germany could have addressed the manpower and labor issues. But resources were another thing entirely.
So in essence, Anreas, using your post above- the problems inherent with #1 made #s 2 and 3 non-issues. Germany could not adequatley address a major aspect of #1 (resources), so increased production on a wide scale was not really possible.
One thing that could have effected this, and could make an interesting production-oriented discussion- what if germany had SHIFTED production areas? Say, more aircraft at the expense of armor? or vice versa?

and on the amatuers statement- that was mainly due to frustartion. Apologies! The idea there was not to seperate the two, but a complaint that logistics often gets ignored as part of strategy.
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