hmmmm an article on a russian site, interesting

ok first where do we get the 200 a/c from ?, Soviet or and German ? also 200 a/c a day GErman or Soviet or both ?

my statements were regarding the south salient only and I apoligize to all if this was misunderstood and I do beleive I was.

I can not think of one German veteran nor familie mameber nor GErman freind that lioved in Eastern Germany to the Elbe that were glad the Soviets advanced and took over German space. in fact quite the opposite. slon, I lost 3 relatives on my mothers side in the Heer serving on the Ost front and youngest was enroute home from a Gulag and died enroute back home to the Pfalz. In his journals what there are of them he was beaten starting with his capture on a daily basis for "fun". War can be and is the Sh**'s

Disaster for the Germans no doubt, the rolling Wehrmacht due to the stab stupididty could never regain what is was in 41-42 if it was anything to begin with. i firmly beleive after interviewing about 5-6 vets that fought on the southern spher that in that area the battle drew a draw. yes the books say otheriwse but I like to get an overall balance to say..........this is what I have done with the air war and web-site that I hel[p run but that is another story. Not trying to be a revisionist which I have been called many times, just one that is after the "real truth"

Za my comments made on third party were the behind the scenes secret dealings and sent back to Russia advizeing the Soviet general staff as the Germans intentions even with the lower ranks feeling that the country was not in their favour and the new Tiger wonder weapons at their backs the feeling of being overhwlmed and just slugging it out was all to honned deep into the Landsers mind.........geez this sounds like a nam repeat. Go get em Tiger we are right behind you so the General stab says.........and in reality, you are given so much time to accompiosh your mission(s) and will not have any backup to support you. Yikes de-ja vue

make sense ? probably not