Hi Craze--I was merely trying to suggest that the high kill claims by Panzer crews can be trus as they high claims were proven to be true when referring to Luftwaffe Aces.

Read The Blonde Knight Of Germany by Raymond Tolliver. You will see what I mean.

Tolliver was a USAF Officer and had met Erich hartmann and many other LW Aces, and at that time it was thought that their claims were vastly inflated until actual gun camera footage was shown many times that could correspond with these mens claims.

Take this back to WW1--Richthoffen had 80 confirmed and 2 unconfirmed victories while flying an aircraft(on most occasions) that was proven to be VERY difficult to handle. You could not see to your front when taking off or landing, and when engaged in a dogfight(which was not recommended) it was very difficult for the pilot of a Fokker DR1 Tri-plane to see what he was shoting at.

I think Richthoffens record stands for itself and proves the point I am trying to make.

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