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Originally Posted by Jaeger
Marienburg
You do jump to conclusions don't you. If the great war had been concluded properly, and Germany been given a fighting chance to establish a proper democracy then I don't see a WW2 coming.
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You complained about "fanciful what ifs" and here you're right into the thick of it, going back to WWI and arguing that changes there could have a huge effect on later history. So apparently you don't mind playing the "what if?" game so long as the "what if?" game leads to an Allied victory. You'll have to forgive the rest of us if we aren't so self-restrictive in our own examination of WWII history.
Incidentally, I agree with you completely; if WWI had ended with the complete defeat of Germany and occupation of the country things likely would have turned out very differently. Of course, such an action would have required far more effort and casualties on the part of the Allies and it still isn't certain that democracy would have found a firm foothold on German soil. Remember, it took three Punic Wars for Rome to eliminate the Carthaginian threat. I personally feel it did take two World Wars to extirpate the militaristic element of the German nation.
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In the high horse buisiness I think your throwing rocks in a glass house. Almost every post you write you point out that Hitler was the political leader aswell. I think we all know that from before.
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I may repeat that line on a number of threads but that is because there are a number of posts that clearly demonstrate a failure to understand this (those that end up stating that Hitler was an idiot for the most part). The high horse quip was due to the fact that you were intimating that the rest of us were denigrating the memory of Allied soldiers by coming up with "what if?" scenarios that suggested the Axis had a chance of winning. I don't accept that moralistic judgment and let you know that you shouldn't be claiming the moral high ground exclusively for yourself on that issue. I prefer discussions here to be based on logic and reason, not emotion. Emotional reasoning is what led to war crimes. It is not a large step to go from claiming another group is a bunch of idiots to seeing them as subhuman.
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I have no intention to start a death rant from hell with you. You commented on a post to Slava who has been around for a while and I know. He can take a bit of tongue in cheek.
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And I have no intention to engage in a death rant from hell with anyone. I simply correct what I see as poor reasoning and hope that others will do the same to my posts if they see that I've been engaging in the same.
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Cheer up It's my birthday!! (31years old!!)
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Happy Birthday! I actually just celebrated my 32nd a couple of days ago so cheers to a fellow taurus!