
July 18th, 2007, 04:51 PM
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Good Ol' Boy 
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Deep in the Heart of Dixie
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Re: Bombing of Auschwitz
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Slipdigit, I think you are really mistaking on the subject : the German policy was to concentrate efficient murder factories in scarse places, and bring all the Jews they could to these places.
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No, that is correct, the tried and true plan by the German authorities was to concentrate the killing of Jews, Roma, etc in centralized areas as it happened in our reality. My misread opinion was that if Allied aerial bombings were perpetrated on the death camps in an alternate reality, the camps would have been dispersed, such as was done with factories.
Auschwitz wasn't a little out of the way place, a "scarse place", if you wish. It was a good-sized city of around 15,000 before the war.
History of Auschwitz-Birkenau death camp and Monowitz labor camp
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Widepread small industrial extermination units goes against all the moves they made during the war.
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Because they had no reason to change since centralized large industrial extermination camps were not being bombed. Some, such as Belzec, were already closed by the time it has been proven that the Allied governments knew of the large-scale killings.
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You mention the small Auschwitz satellites : none of them had integrated gas chamber / crematory installation……As per Dachau, you are confusing the concentration camps : Dachau / Oranienburg ….
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Almost none of them had gas chambers that were used during the war
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All of this, I am and was fully aware of when I stuck my hand in this tar-baby of a thread. The information is easily located on the web and any number of publications.
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from slipdigit: not much new construction would have been needed.
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My point was that not much construction time or effort would be needed to put crematoriums in production where ever needed, whether in other camps or small satellites of existing death camps in the attempt to make it more difficult for the bomber commanders to mount missions to take them out, were they predisposed to do that. I mentioned the other camps as options because they already were established and had rail service to them. As badly as they seemed to want to kill “undesirables”, the Germans could have the killings elsewhere with relative time loss, had the need arisen due to repeated aerial bomb damage to the primary locations. But they may have not had to do all this, it they could get the Allied bommbers to do the killing for them and incerate the bodies too, with the incendiaries.
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So widespreads small gas/crematory complexes theory realy goes against the way the whole murder machine was thought at the time, not even speaking of the logistical mess it would have been to connect railroads to a myriad of small camps, divide the captured Jews between them etc etc.
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So were small factories, but they adapted to the need imposed by incessant Allied bombing. They never dispersed the holding of prisoners and the accompanying killing because they never had to. Unfortunately for the Jews and other hated groups, they were nothing more than freight to those who wanted them dead. The logistics, to the Germans then, would have been roughly the same as moving coal or any other bulk item, as horrendous a concept as it sounds.
A theory is just that, a theory. It has to be proven or disproved and I am glad that it is not attempted now. Smaller, decentralized death camps can never be proven just as the theory of bombing the camps to save the Jews can’t be either.
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I think the material issue was the Allies were far from being able to do surgical strikes at the time and hit the gas/crematory complex without blowing up the whole camps.
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Precisely. See my comments in postings above on this and which is what I thought the discussion was about from the beginning. My belief continues to be, and apparently the beliefs of the Allied leaders at the time were, that the best way to help the unfortunate souls was to interdict transport to help kill two birds with one stone by preventing war materials from reaching the factories and the fronts and, indirectly, the prisoners from reaching their final destinations.
Anyway, I've enjoyed the conversation but lets move on and see if we can find another subject to disagree on, or if we are lucky, to not disagree on. I’m not interested in changing my mind and I am not eloquent enough to convince you that you are wrong.
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JW
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