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Originally Posted by jean2005
I picked only this, because searching for everything should be too long.
500,000 Germans present by Leningrad you say? Wooow, thats a fantastic number, where you got this information?
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150,00 you say? Try this
Siege of Leningrad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Here are all German units, that were atacking Leningrad:
Infantry divisions No.: 291, 51, 269, 121, 86, 122
Motorized infantryNo.: 20, 36
Panzer divisions No.: 1, 6.
And the SS-Polizei division
German division had about 17,000 soldiers
If all of these divisons were on full numbers (though its not very likely to be truth, after all those fights), there were only max. 187,000 Germans there, not 500,000. (I think, that about 150,000, if not only 120,000 is more accurate)
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Seems that you are missing a few?
where are the 8th and 12th Panzer Divisions or the 18th motorized division?
Where is the 18th army which consisted of XXVI, XXXVIII, L and XXVIII Army corps?
( Yes I am aware that on the 15th of Sept. Hitler made a decision to transfer the XXXXI, LVI and LVII Motorized and VIII Air Corps to AGC leaving Leeb only with the 19 panzer corps and later making concessions to the 8th Panzer div.)
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Which day was that Zhukovs counter attack, you mentioned above?
My sources says, that Hitlers "Stop" order (stop to attack Leningrad, there were other battles i.e. on the east of the city, Tchivin etc., but not any other attempt to attack directly to Leningrad ) was given to Germans troops here in 12th September 1941.
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A German directive issued on the 22nd of Septermber read:
The Fuhrer has decided to erase the city of St. Petersburg from the face of the earth. I have no interest in the further of existence of this large city after the defeat of the Soviet Russia... We propose to blockade the city tightly and erase it from earth by means of artillery fire and continuous bombardment from the air.
This message came only after desperate Soviet counter attacks at Sol'tsy, Staraia Russa, Krasnoe Selo and Siniavino. While these counter attacks achieved little, they did manage to inflict Irreplaceable casualties and eventually managed to slow the Germans to a halt at Leningrads doorsteps.
As for Zhukov. On Zhukovs recomendation, the
Stavka ordered Kulik's 54th Army, still opperating under its direct control, and Zhukov's Neva Operational Group (NOG) to launch converging attacks toward Siniaviano. While progress was small and an advance of only 10km in 16 days, Schmidts XXXIX motorized corps forced a retreat. Forcing Zhukov to replace Kulik with Khozin. These were the thorns at the Germans side which eroded their forces little by little, forcing them to stop in front of Leningrad. Zhukov's main goal was to defend the city, NOT destroy the army.
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And the point is, that Zhukov was demonstrably in Moscow in 11th September, because in time between 17:10 and 21:15 he was in Stalins office. I cannot belive, that he should to get himself to Leningrad, to take command, to observe situation, to plan counter attack, and even to win it in only one day.
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On Sept 11th 41' Zhukov was assigned the task of defending Leningrad and to take over Marshal Veroshilov who was not up to the task. It was only on the evening of October 6th that Stalin called Zhukov IN Leningrad and oredered him to fly back for the defense of Moscow at once.