Rod, even I have to admit that's debatable. I'm by no means of the opinion that Germany lost the war in June 23 1941.

Germany:

* could have won in 1941 (this has been discussed to exhaustion in this forum so we won't start that all over again);

* could have got themselves into a very good position (Caspian oil or no Caspian oil) strategically wise in 1942 if it weren't for that stupid fixation with Stalingrad the city;

* after the Russian locked Stalingrad in (6 Army and all the other formations compromised in this complex situation) it all went downhill, but I'd argue that there could be other options later instead the error that was Kursk.

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