one of the other problems that exist Skipper is that the next night some of the RAF heavies were shot down in the area of Düsseldorf as well and by the same LW NF units. also the claims reports where the actions took place NOT where the bomber crashed. There is some and in fact much desparity with the times - were they when the actions took place which is very and strongly plausible but also when and if the RAF bomber could be witnessed crashing a time was given and then put in the report. 3 NF pilots I have interviewed came with the same conclusions with me and still today are confused about the timing issues which again adds to the total frustration of whom shot at or shot down whom and where even if the crashes were placed out of the area some 100 miles or further along the way.