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Originally Posted by Sloniksp
May I ask as what source other then Suvoruv's you are using to claim all of this about Zhukov?
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What exactly do you mean? If is it only my reply just above, there I took your own words about Stalins and Zhukovs authority and Zhukovs claims of victories and how he was trying to hide his defeats. Where I used Suvorov as a source?
Another thing is that: "
The article itself was written back in the year 2000".
But Suvorovs books about Zhukov are from the year 2002 and 2005, so I dont uderstand, how should someone to rewiew something that by that time does not exist.
But this is not matter, however. Except one mistake (and I am sorry for this) I did not and do not use Suvorov as a source. Sometimes I used him only as some kind of inspiration, where could be something interesting to look at. How many times I must to repeat this? I am sitting hours and hours above books or (mostly) internet and I am trying to search datas from any source I should to aquire and if I put them here, even if it is with some link or such as, most answers are only: this is not true. And finally I made the mistake, I used Suvorovs name once and what happend? Seems to me like if someone is waiting for it and: Alas! Suvorovs name is here! Game over, try again...
Its funny, when your sorce confirm my words. I.e.here:
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http://www.bartcop.com/arc4109.htm
is, that Zhukov took command in Leningrad in September 14 and the order for germans troops to not capture Leningrad came in Sep. 12. So how he could to be the savior of Leningrad? He could not stop Germans, as they stop themselves just obeying the order from Hitler. He did not broke through blocade, so about 1 milion of people died. Yes, maybe he had some important part in following deffense here, but definitely he is not the savior of Leningrad. (and probably he is not the savior of Moscow as well, but I am not enough far with searching about that, so if you have some links, please put them here...)
Afternoon I will try to borrow his memoires again and we will see, what he claimes there exactly, not only what is on the web.
And once again I must to say, it does not matter to me, whatever Suvorov writes, I only want to know everything possible about Zhukov and about Barbarossa operation. (This way I found this forum, btw.. I was searching about Barbarossa and...what is it? Some forum? Looks interesting, and I am not a member of any English-speaking forum yet, maybe I will find some informations here, lets register and I will see...)