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Originally Posted by Chuikov64th
The brutality of the German occupation (and their assorted ethnic "legionaires") is so far easily the worst of the 20th century. It was a matter of policy (racial supremacy) and it was carried out as such.
The Russians and the partisans were doing what is normal, they were resisting an invader, for good reason. It's better to die with a gun in your hand than as a slave, which is basically what the powers that be in Germany at the time had in store for them.
I strongly recommend you read Alexander Werths "Russia at War" before you stick your heads onto the chopping block. There is some writings on what the Russian army found when they pushed the German army back from Moscow into the Smolensk, Veliki Luki, Kholm, Orsha, Borodino areas. These are areas that had been under German occupation for some time, 1941, the winter of 1942 or longer. Kharkov, Bryansk and Belgorod to the south was a similar situation.
Here is a part of Mansteins Reichnau order. It is telling.
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This order, this policy, doomed millions to slow death by malnutrition, disease and exposure to the elements.
What is the excuse for this? I see the reasoning behind it, he had to feed his army. But the key question arises. What was the Army doing there?
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Chuikov pure Bullcrap. Worsest thing of 20th let we say STALIN'S REGIME.. 40 Million people died!
Maybe you forgot but Stalin let his troops die in swamps! Stalin trusted nothing, he didn't even trusted himself. Pore troops who died in the swamps.. They said Germans never will come trough, well Stalin wanted them their to stay without anything.
Everybody who retreated got shot, because if you retreat there's something you don't have. What should I say for Stalin: "Kill for your Motherland or killed by your Motherland?" I wanna see Stalin in pure Battle, I wanna see him fighting in the "Rattenkrieg", I wanna see him in the swamps, I wanna see him seeing his best comrades get killed or the moments you don't have any food, clothes and munition left.
Instead of sitting behind that desk being selfish. Sorry for those who think I'm that wrong as hell.. But for me those people are PURE COWARDS. I know maybe you can have a high rank, your a leader and everything but then shoot your own men who have enough of war? Who had enough of the killing, the murders? And call them cowards because they didn't wanted to die for him?!
I wanna see those Stalin and Stalin's boys.. Fighting in the last days of Berlin. There are not many people who can tell what happend and how horrible it was while there. All those young kids fighting to their death because Hitler didn't wanted to surrender, I know surrendering is hard.. You don't know what will happen or what they will do but if you don't wanna surrender.. GO fight yourself don't let young kids do the fighting. At least some high German Officers still fought and had enough of Hitler and his mistakes, they went outside and fought next to those heroic and brave children. Not all did it, but most did.
I don't care if you win a war or not. I care about those who fought, those who were heroic and brave and had enough courage to do it. Not that guy who went up, said how to or made some major moves and made some nice wins or eventualy won the war. No, why? Did they fought, did they made a sacrifice? Their sacrifice was their own people.
Got nothing more to say, but Chuikov THINK.. before you say crap.
I hope I speak for many.