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Originally Posted by Troglodyte
Germans taking Moskow? He he.
Moscow - city is10 times bigger then Stalingrad.
Axis eastern army suffered more than 734,000 casualties (about 23% of its average strength of 3,200,000 troops) during the first five months of the invasion(that is more then during 2 years of war on the West), and on 27 November 1941, General Eduard Wagner, the Quartermaster General of the German Army, reported, "We are at the end of our resources in both personnel and materiel. We are about to be confronted with the dangers of deep winter."
And by the end of November Soviets put Siberian resevs in.
I belive if Barbarossa did start 2 weeks earlier and Germans would let themself be lured in street fighting in Moscow - axis defeat in Battle fo Moscow would've been even more devastating.
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Had the "Marckes Plans" been used Operation Barbarossa would have started eight weeks earlier than 22/6/41, if we overlay that with the surrender of the Vyazma Pocket then German forces would have attacked Moscow by mid to late August.
But the "Marckes Plan" insisted that Army Group Centre would attack Moscow in it's entiriety, Army Group South and Antonescu would attack Stalingrad in their entiriety, while Army Group North and Finnish forces would attack Leningrad. Above all in the "Marckes Plan" there were to be no deviation from those objectives.
If the "Marckes Plan" had been used then i would say casualty figures would be different.