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Old January 27th, 2008, 06:54 PM
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Default Re: Tank losses, Battle of the Bulge

German numbers for the start were admitted as half assault guns, and half tanks. Losses were probably the same percentage (a guess)(by me). What they mean by that you can only guess. I'll bet anything with "tracks" was counted, as was anything with armor. This we know does not make it a tank, or assault gun (for sure). Self propelled artillery, anti-tank and the like are not distinguished/separated in the numbers.
So a total, hour by hour loss rate for "Tanks" is also a guess. (AFV might be a better moniker).
Who knows, maybe even Universal Carriers and that American "job" the Weasel, prime movers, etc. were in the numbers as well.
One site did say that the U.S. First & Third Armies lost 471 "Medium" tanks by the end of December.
Great numbers m kenny! I've not seen these before.
In these numbers I see are included TD's. These are not tanks, and when used against Infantry suffer badly from no co-axial/bow machine gun, open top, thinner armor, and limited elevation of main gun to engage (urban) higher floor/roof targets. Most of the same applies to "Marders", Wespes, Hummels, StuGs, etc. M-8 Armored cars aren't much better without Infantry support.
Almost any answer/analogy can be (partially) backed up to the point of believable. Pick one.
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