May 6th, 2008, 05:34 PM
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Re: What If Germany Didnt Declare war on the Soviets
I'm not missing it.
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Originally Posted by Za Rodinu
This did not preclude the SU to meddle a bit with what was felt to be adding strategic depth to some territories and/or returning some former Imperial lands back to the USSR. Hence the (initially negotiated) "acquisition" of border lands with Finland, the Baltic countries, "Romanian" Bessarabia, Poland eastern third. All these were seen as defensive moves, being no more than a return of previously owned territories.
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There were negotiations prior to the Winter War aiming to exchange territories between Finalnd and the USSR. As the negotiations failed, politics went on by other means.
25 - Suur Suomi « Strange Maps
Winter War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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In April 1938 or possibly earlier, the Soviet Union began diplomatic negotiations with Finland, trying to improve their mutual defence against Germany. The Soviets were mainly concerned that Germany or France and Great Britain would use Finland as a bridgehead for an attack on Leningrad, and demanded a territorial swap to move the border farther away from Leningrad. More than a year passed with little progress, and the political situation in Europe worsened.
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In the autumn of 1939, the Soviet Union demanded that Finland agree to move the border 25 kilometres (16 mi) back from Leningrad. It also demanded that Finland lease the Hanko Peninsula to the USSR for 30 years for the creation of a naval base there. In exchange, the Soviet Union offered Finland a large part of Karelia (more than twice the size). This offer was referred to in Finland as "two pounds of dirt for one pound of gold".
The Finnish government refused the Soviet demands.
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On October 14 the Soviet government made a new proposal: to lease for 30 years the port and peninsula of Hanko... and to transfer to the Soviet Union — in exchange for Soviet territory 5,523 sq. km. in area in the region of Reboly [Finnish Repola] and Polosozero [Porajärvi] in the Karelian ASSR — islands in the Gulf of Finland: Gotland (Suursaari) ["Gotland" should presumably be Hogland], Seiskari, Lavansaari, Greater and Lesser Tytärsaari [the former is now Kolari], ... the islands Björkö and Tiurinsaari, the part of the Karelian Peninsula up to the line Lipola (now Kotovo) - Lake Yskjärvi (now Vishnevskoye) - Perkjärvi Station (now Kirillovskoye) - Koivisto (now Primorsk) and to the north, the Finnish part of the Rybachiy and Sredniy [see Rybachiy link] peninsulas, in all 2,761 sq. km. of territory.
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