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King George V
The King George V was the british flag ship of WW2 wasn't it? Also did it take much part in the sinking of the Bismarck? Also you know the radar mechanics of WW2 is there a list of who was on the ship and who fixed the radar on just that ship?
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There was no single flagship of the Royal Navy, never was, never is going to be. A Flagship is a vessel that leads another group, this can even apply to destroyers.
Yes, it did help sink the Bismark. She and HMS Rodney pounded her into a burning wreck.
I'm no specialist to naval history, so I can't help on the other two.
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sorry but thats rubbish
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There was one John Mullins but he had gone in just to fix a latrine door latch.
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Well I know that there is only 1 Flag ship and thats a fact.
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Well I know that there is only 1 Flag ship and thats a fact.
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Better brush up on your naval history. Every fleet commander has a flagship and each fleet commander may choose to change that flagship as he sees fit. The British had several "Fleets" in operation during WW II and thus employed several "Fleet" flagships. This practice is followed by every navy I have ever heard of.
Where did you get the erroneous idea that there is only one flagship in any navy?
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DA, I may be completely wrong, but hasn't the HMS Victory been the senior flagship of the Royal Navy for a number of years?
Even if true, this role would be ceremonial only. Doesn't the USS Constitution share the same status regarding the US Navy?
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DA, I may be completely wrong, but hasn't the HMS Victory been the senior flagship of the Royal Navy for a number of years?
Even if true, this role would be ceremonial only. Doesn't the USS Constitution share the same status regarding the US Navy?
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I do not know about HMS Victory. She may be the "senior" flagship of the Royal Navy (which would be a symbolic title), but is certainly not the only flagship. She is the oldest commissioned warship in the world.
The USS Constitution is the oldest commissioned warship afloat (HMS Victory is permanently dry docked), but is not a flagship in any sense of the word. She is more akin to a museum ship although she is fully in commission, is manned by a crew of approximately 60 active duty US Navy personnel, and performs mostly ceremonial duties.
The term "flagship" denotes a ship in which a senior commander flies his flag while in active command of a fleet or squadron. Normally, a flagship is equipped with extra accommodations for a senior commander's staff, and additional communications gear to facilitate receiving reports, and intelligence, and issuing commands to the other ships in the fleet. Thus the term "flagship" is more than just an honorific or symbolic appellation, and a flagship has a very practical application during war time operations.
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Ah, yes, my query was only in a ceremonial context. By the way, IIRC, every naval vessel that enters the Thames has to salute the Victory.
Does anyone know how the Vic is faring in the wake of the recent fire? Sorry for being off-topic. 
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How does they do that when Victory is in Pompey?
Do you mean The Solent, Za?
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Geo-nautical digression.
Fire?
I believe sir, you are thinking of the Cutty Sark?
A very civilian boat.
Though Victory was damaged in an air-raid during the war.
Wonder how much of her is still actually the ship that fought at Trafalgar?.. much of her superstructure was carried away in the fighting (BIG lumps of wood) and among all the repairs and other restoration I sometimes feel I'm looking at something of a 'Grandad's axe'.
Still a beautiful icon though, like Nelson's blood-stained uniform & the relic sail, it makes me come over a bit 'peculiar' when I see it.
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Re: King George V
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The King George V was the british flag ship of WW2 wasn't it? Also did it take much part in the sinking of the Bismarck? Also you know the radar mechanics of WW2 is there a list of who was on the ship and who fixed the radar on just that ship?
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There was no single flagship of the Royal Navy, never was, never is going to be. A Flagship is a vessel that leads another group, this can even apply to destroyers.
Yes, it did help sink the Bismark. She and HMS Rodney pounded her into a burning wreck.
I'm no specialist to naval history, so I can't help on the other two.
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sorry but thats rubbish
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Well I know that there is only 1 Flag ship and thats a fact.
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Interesting conversation going on here. If you know the answer why ask the question???
Your facts are just a bit incorrect, so if you would mind citing a source for your Information???
HMS King George V was made Flagship of the Home Fleet Following the sinking of the HMS Hood. Now get ready to have your mind blown. While HMS Hood was still Flagship of the Home Fleet, the Battle of Cape Matapan occurred in the Med. During this battle there were two separate flagships  . Admiral Sir Andrew Cunningham, who flew his flag from HMS Warspite, and in overall command of all forces, and Admiral Henry Pridham-Wippell, who hung his flag from HMS Orion, in charge of the cruiser squadron. In addition Captain Philip Mack led the 14 Flotilla with the HMS Jarvis as his Flotilla leader, though he was not a flag officer.
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Solent, Schmolent, it's all Yiddish to me 
Alright, so it's Portsmouth! Damn, having to be corrected by these snotty smartalecs! Pff!
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Re: King George V
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sorry but thats rubbish
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The object of this forum is to promote discusion not arguments.
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You asked some questions, he answered the ones he knew.
The fact you don't like the answers is not his fault, so cut out the rudeness.
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Which i endorse with the above statement. 
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Ah a fact you say well then present your arguments we all here are more than willing to listen to inteligently presented points of veiw.Have somthing to say that doesn't involve stamping your foot on the floor.
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Better brush up on your naval history. Every fleet commander has a flagship and each fleet commander may choose to change that flagship as he sees fit. The British had several "Fleets" in operation during WW II and thus employed several "Fleet" flagships. This practice is followed by every navy I have ever heard of.
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Such as this!
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DA, I may be completely wrong, but hasn't the HMS Victory been the senior flagship of the Royal Navy for a number of years?
Even if true, this role would be ceremonial only. Doesn't the USS Constitution share the same status regarding the US Navy?
I do not know about HMS Victory. She may be the "senior" flagship of the Royal Navy (which would be a symbolic title), but is certainly not the only flagship. She is the oldest commissioned warship in the world.
The USS Constitution is the oldest commissioned warship afloat (HMS Victory is permanently dry docked), but is not a flagship in any sense of the word. She is more akin to a museum ship although she is fully in commission, is manned by a crew of approximately 60 active duty US Navy personnel, and performs mostly ceremonial duties.
The term "flagship" denotes a ship in which a senior commander flies his flag while in active command of a fleet or squadron. Normally, a flagship is equipped with extra accommodations for a senior commander's staff, and additional communications gear to facilitate receiving reports, and intelligence, and issuing commands to the other ships in the fleet. Thus the term "flagship" is more than just an honorific or symbolic appellation, and a flagship has a very practical application during war time operations.
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Or as you can see this.
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Originally Posted by Aviation History
The King George V was the british flag ship of WW2 wasn't it? Also did it take much part in the sinking of the Bismarck? Also you know the radar mechanics of WW2 is there a list of who was on the ship and who fixed the radar on just that ship?
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There was no single flagship of the Royal Navy, never was, never is going to be. A Flagship is a vessel that leads another group, this can even apply to destroyers.
Yes, it did help sink the Bismark. She and HMS Rodney pounded her into a burning wreck.
I'm no specialist to naval history, so I can't help on the other two.
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sorry but thats rubbish
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Interesting conversation going on here. If you know the answer why ask the question???
Your facts are just a bit incorrect, so if you would mind citing a source for your Information???
HMS King George V was made Flagship of the Home Fleet Following the sinking of the HMS Hood. Now get ready to have your mind blown. While HMS Hood was still Flagship of the Home Fleet, the Battle of Cape Matapan occurred in the Med. During this battle there were two separate flagships. Admiral Sir Andrew Cunningham, who flew his flag from HMS Warspite, and in overall command of all forces, and Admiral Henry Pridham-Wippell, who hung his flag from HMS Orion, in charge of the cruiser squadron. In addition Captain Philip Mack led the 14 Flotilla with the HMS Jarvis as his Flotilla leader, though he was not a flag officer. |
Or ultimately this which is exactly the type of information you initially requested.Here is a vast tapestry of Very Very Knowledgeable people Some of whom have first hand experience of the very subject of this forum. So do try and remember it costs nothing to be polite and some people have earned it in spades.
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HMS King George V, British battleship, WW2
Brief history of the boat, ship, watery thingy.
The web site itself. Navynet is reccomended by Imperial war museum as a tip top, great, must look, get your info here, site as Im sure many members on here already know. Including US information.
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You asked some questions, he answered the ones he knew.
The fact you don't like the answers is not his fault, so cut out the rudeness.
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Well I know that there is only 1 Flag ship and thats a fact.
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Someone asked for a source, please provide one.
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