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Battle for Europe Concerning WW2 in Europe, spanning the invasion of France, the Battle of Britain, D-Day to VE Day.

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The German Army placed a high reliance on mortars. As the British official historian, L.F. Ellis, states, "In the latter stages of the war German interest in conventional field and medium artillery seems to have been on the wane. Instead they were setting more store by mortars and nebelwerfers, of which they had large numbers in Normandy." (L.F. Ellis, Victory in the West Volume I, The Battle of Normandy, Appendix IV, "Notes on the Organization and Equipment of the Allied Armed Forces", pp. 521-551). It was estimated that upwards of 70% of all 21st Army Group infantry casualties in Normandy up to July 1944 were caused by mortars, which were particularly troublesome because of their high rates of fire, as well as the silent approach of the bomb.

In addition to the physical damage they could cause, Nebelwerfers also had a significant psychological effect on the soldiers against whom they were used, which the Germans tried to use to their advantage. In The Guns of Normandy, George Blackburn relates an episode in which members of his Field Artillery regiment "capture" a Nebelwerfer intact and with projectiles. Deciding to put the weapon with which they have been often harassed by the enemy to their use for a change, they received a shock after firing an initial salvo. The Germans had registered the location of the abandoned mortar and waited until it was put into action, at which time they returned fire and killed a number of Canadian gunners.

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It should'nt come as a surprise.Mortars don't need gasoline to transport around like big guns do. Cheaper to produce also.
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In all acounts I've read and everything I've ever heard, mortars are so much lighter to carry and better to use due to their accuracy with someone who knows what they're doing.
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Yep,

I´m sure there are people here who have had the possibility to shoot with mortar.

During 1997 I was able to take part in one session playing all the different roles in firing one as we fired the 80 cm mortar, and I was truly "with my mouth open" as we fired a car wreck some 800 meters from us. Five shots as fast as we could and blam-blam-blam as they hit the target exactly the same spot. Simple and truly effective....

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yes a very good thing espessially for infantry, only draw back would be that it cant fire as far as a regular howitzer. other than that yes very good and effective
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Might add that they are easier to hide from Allied airpower,too.
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German Army facts:

Of the seventeen field marshals in the German Army, ten were relieved of their commands by the Fuehrer in the course of the war, three were killed after the July Plot, two were killed in action, one was taken prisoner and only one remained throughout the war without being subject to discipline.

Of thirty-six generals, twenty-six were removed from their post, of whom three were executed and two were dishonorably discharged; seven were killed in action and only three remained in service throughout the war without disciplinary action.

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That's sad that such great tacticians and leading men were killed or accused of killing someone who dies soon after.
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Douglas Bader:

Often, coming back across the Channel after a mission, Bader would flip back the canopy of his Spitfire, unclip his oxygen mask and, while holding the stick between his good knee and his tin knee, light up his pipe. Pilots flying alongside Spitfire DB would sheer off, half in jest and half in earnest, in case Bader's plane blew up. For his brilliant and inspiring leadership of the Tangmere Wing - which he christened "The Bee Line Bus Service. The prompt and regular service. Return tickets only" - Bader was awarded a bar to his DSO.


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Just how fragile the situation in the western camp was during invasion:

The issuance of invasion currency to Allied troops: Like many other French civil affairs questions this had been discussed by French and Allied representatives since 1943, and had bogged down. on the issue of the sovereignty of the French Committee. In an effort to avoid depreciating French currency by issuing yellow-seal dollars and British Military Authority notes to the troops, as in Italy, the British and U.S. authorities arranged in December 1943 to print special invasion money in Washington for the use of the armies. Before this could be done, the British Ambassador "unexpectedly" notified the State Department that his government preferred a French national currency issued by the French Committee of National Liberation. The immediate effect was to delay any decision on the issue for a number of weeks. To bring the matter to a head, the British Secretary of State for War, Sir James Grigg, appealed to General Eisenhower at the end of January 1944, reminding him that currency was "a vital if uninteresting necessity to successful operations."2 If General Eisenhower had ever doubted the necessity of settling such problems promptly, he had sufficient reason to change his mind when they continued to reappear in the spring and summer of 1944.

In early May, General Eisenhower forwarded to Washington proposals based on preliminary discussions with the French Military Mission in London regarding the whole financial situation in France. After a period of three weeks, having received no direction on the problem, he proposed as "a solution of desperation" to issue a proclamation declaring the supplemental francs legal tender. The Supreme Commander and his chief of staff doubted their legal right to issue such a proclamation and feared it would be considered a flagrant violation of French sovereignty, but they felt they would have to take such action unless they received other instructions by 28 May.

No agreement had been reached with the French by the time General de Gaulle reached London shortly before D Day. He was dissatisfied when he found that limited quantities of supplemental francs in small denominations had actually been given to British and U.S. soldiers in the assault units, and that larger quantities were ready when needed to supplement the five and one-half billion metropolitan francs put at the disposal of Allied forces by the War Office. His anger at this assumption of what he considered to be a prerogative of the French Committee of National Liberation apparently influenced him to forbid the 180 French liaison officers trained for civil affairs duties to sail with the assault units on D Day. He finally relented sufficiently to permit twenty liaison officers to accompany Allied troops. ( ON Collins-Lapierre "Is Paris burning?" the total number was 500 liaison officers with 20 to sail on D-day...)

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ALLKETT

The most important tank factory in Berlin.

Most of the workshops were destroyed in an Allied air raid on Nov 26,1943.

Disturbed by this attack Hitler issued a direct order to fire departments as far away as Potsdam and Brandenburg to move to Allkett and save as much as possible of the key factory.


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443 Lancasters and 7 Mosquitoes flew to Berlin that night.

Ironically, the success of the raid was due to a Pathfinder mishap. The Blind Markers dropped their their red TIs as planned in a straight line leading to the City centre. But then the solitary H2S aircraft of 83 Squadron dropped its entire load of yellow markers 7 miles north of the city limits. the PFF backers-up, faced with two different marked targets, dropped their green flares halfway between the two and the Main Force dropped on these.

Unknown to all of them, this was an important industrial area ; Rheinmetall-Borsig and DWM were bombed heavily as well as the vital Alkett tank factory.

Kai is quite right ; Hitler personally intervened when told of the Alkett fire and ordered every possible fire appliance to the scene. As a result, many fire engines became jammed in nearby streets and were unable to deploy to many other blazing areas.
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intersting claims on this night of 26/27 November 1943...........

7 Lancs, 1 Hali for NJG 1
4 Lancs for NJG 3
3 Hali's to Hptm. Willi Herget of I./NJG 4
16 Lancs to NJG 5, 2 of these to friend Günther Wolf
3 Hali's and 1 Lanc to I./NJG 6 pilots on a diversionary ? raid.
1 Lancaster to Bf 109G-6 pilot Feldwebel Haase of III./JG 300

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And those claims exactly match the number of aircraft lost that night - 34.
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Really !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Martin that does surprise me, although you mentioned no Hali's this night on the Berlin raid. Peter spoden speaks often to me of the terrible problems he and his Nachtjagd crews had in the identification of the RAF bombers in the dark and attacking from the rear/underneath. Not surprisingly in the Frieburg claims listing there is a simple notation of.......... claim 1 4-engine bomber/Viermot.........
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157 Halifaxes and 21 Lancasters flew to Stuttgart on a diversionary raid.....
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Wilhelm Mayer



On 18 February 1944, 7./JG 26 was ordered to scramble from Grevillers to intercept a British formation of 15 Mosquito twin-engined bombers escorted by eight Typhoon fighters implementing Operation Jericho, the attack on the Amiens prison to aid the escape of Resistance members held there. The formation was intercepted as it came off its bombing run. Mayer shot down the Mosquito flown by the officer commanding the mission, Group Captain Charles Pickard for his 13th victory.

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Dieppe 1944 captured 1st Sept 1944

Canadian troops enter Dieppe and On 3 September 1944, the Second Division marched triumphantly through the streets of Dieppe following services at a cemetery where 800 Second Division men lay at rest.




Memorial service at Dieppe; Lieutenant General Crerar (GOC First Canadian Army), Major General Foulkes (GOC Second Canadian Division) and Lieutenant General Simonds (GOC II Canadian Corps).

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Hermann Balck and Heinz Guderian

During operation Yellow Balck was a 44 year old Lt. Colonel in charge of the 1st Rifle Regiment of the 1st Panzer Division under Heinz Guderian.
On 13th May 1940 Balck’s troops crossed the Meuse River and the next day French resistance collapsed.As Guderian arrived Balck greeted him joyfully with "Joyriding in canoes on the Meuse is forbidden."



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The beginning´s the hardest part..(?!)

Operation Ambassador

During World War II, Operation Ambassador (14/15 July, 1940) was the second raid by British Commandos comprising 40 men of H Troop, No.3 Commando under Maj. John Durnford-Slater, and 100 men of No.11 Commando/Independent Company under Maj. Ronnie Tod.
The objective was offensive reconnaissance, prisoner capture and aircraft destruction on the Channel Island of Guernsey. Three landing points were designated but only No.3 Commando landed successfully. One party of No.11 were taken to the wrong island (Sark) and the other encountered a series of boat problems. No.3 Commando failed to find any of the 469-man German garrison and discovered they had to extract themselves by swimming @ 100 metres out to their boats as the tide had risen too high for their motor craft to beach among the rocks.

At this stage it was discovered three Commandos could not swim so were left on the beach with additional French currency. They later surrendered. A dingy was used to ferry weapons to the boats and on the fifth excursion it was dashed against a rock and one of the three men escorting it drowned.

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