Again the dialogue is amazing. Has someone a link to a list of the German

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My turn for OOPS! I need a translation of the terms used for German squadrons,flights,groups etc. It would give me a better view of the overall picture.
Hopefully Alex Campbell

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the standard for G-1's in 1944 was the blue base RLM 76 which faded with summer sunlight to a blue-white and then grey blotches witha tinge of violet in them.
During 44 the blotches had soft edges so it appeared that they would fade into the RLM 76 blue and di over time again in the warm summer months.

In 1945 the Blotches had more of a harder edge to them such as this after war photo of a 88G-6, hopeful this makes some sense



the pic sadly is quite small

Alex :

Staffel = Squadron

Geschwader = primarily would be wing such as fighter wing or bomber wing ........ i.e. NJG = Nachtjagdgeschwader or Night Fighter wing, about 45 to 50 aircraft in 3 squadrons to a Night Fighter group.

Gruppe = Group which had 3 Staffeln in a Night Fighter Wing

NJG 2 by 1945 had 5 Gruppen in it's establishment.

Incidently V./NJG 2 performed the deadly night ground attacks in 1945 and formed from ex-bomber personell of III./KG 2 = Third Group of Bomber wing 2

This is a Me-110 but is it closer to what you had in mind Erich ?

Click the link and then go to gallery and the 110 is about 1/3 down the page.

http://www.rlm.at/start_e.htm?cont/archiv01_e.htm&1

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thanks Ta but no not really. I've got the photos it is just getting them sorted and into the saved files.....

The closest I could get were the colours I found on the Strassner G1 pictures.

Another Question . Does anyone know whether NJG2 used one of the code letters on the front ,just behind the radar device, so that you could recognise aircrafts from the front?
4R+CK would get the letter "C".
I have seen these letters on several G1's but am not sure about NJG2 aircrafts

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you sure they were G-1's ? G-6's yes for NJG 3 I know of. NJG 2 I am not at all sure

the pics of the G-1 of Strassner in Rökkers book are terrible if you are trying to contrast any colour from them

There is a picture of NJG2 from early 1945 with a G1 with letter "F" (page 47)in Griehl's "Nightfighters over the Reich".
+ a colour picture of a NJG3 G1 with letter "A" (on page 12). This is I believe just before they swithed to G6s.
Other units may have used them too.
The BF110 had them (I have G4 pictures)
There was even one on the final version of the rare Dornier 217J .

The colour picture of the G1 is the best I could find so far. Sometimes the tinge appears somewhat violet, but from an other angle they turn rather olive.

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NJG 2 had G-6's in October of 44 and NJG 3 had them even in September and completely outfitted by mid-December with the G-6. If it was a G-1's they may have been old hacks

It is possible that only the best pilots got the G6 first and that G1s were used for another couple of months. Also only one of the pictures is actually said to be from 1945, the others are not dated and are probably from 1944. I 'll scan one or two later today

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Skipper, not to get to sidetracked from our original thoughts but yes there were G-1 conversions used in 1945, the standard FuG 220 set was modified to take the newer FuG 220d set and the canted 45 degree radar aerial display, and I have photos of these birds during and after war.

Thank you for your confirmation Erich. We are not getting side tracked, on the contrary. With these elements I hope to get enough elements to get a piece of artwork for Mr Campbell with the July 28th combat.
I will post a draft of a Chateaudun G1 after work. It has the Fug 220 with red and white stripes.

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Pictures will have to wait a few hours, the photobucket site has maintenance. I'll be back.

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Here is a draft of a G1 at Chateaudun in July 1944. There are several of us working on it. I think we are getting pretty close. The code is not Strassner's yet. The artist is
C. Diepedalle who works with me on this kind of projects. When it is ready we will add details such as Strassner's codes etc..

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Erich is your Nov 29th picture a captured Ju-88 ? In the background it looks like the tail section of a P-61.

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Here is The NJG2 picture from Griehl's "Nightfighters over the Reich", They are standing in front of a G1, possibly at Chateaudun or Dijon. You can clearly notice the letter "F" on the G1 nose . It is possible that Strassner + crew is on the picture but I haven't identified any of the men.

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It is one of the pictures we used to make our draft. You can clearly see the red and white stripes on the FUG radar too.

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well Skipper and all I was afraid of this ......

secondly the Ju 88G-6 at Langensalza is captured after war with at least 35 plus G-6's in hangers and on the fields lined up, the airfield/holding factory was captured by the US 4th Armored I believe. later still with 88
G-6's getting collected to be destroyed the 422nd nfs with P-61B's moved onto the field and used it before wars end.

firstly now and yes I am a bit backwards your pic-photo is not NJG 2, Griehl is incorrect, it is the line up of the Anti-Gardening boyz of I./NJG 3 standing by one of the gruppes Ju 88G-6's not a G-1. Note the Jumo hot rod engines and not the bulky BMW's of the G-1 series. Fourth from the left is H.G. Schierholz receiving the Ritterkreuz as Bördfunker to W. Husemann the Gruppenkommandeur of I./NJG 3 standing almost directly center with the white shirt and you can see his Ritterkreuz in place. I./NJG 3 was an incredibly active bunch of crews agasint the RAF mining through the straits of Denmark and northern German waters ........

red-white lower marked radar aerials was an indicator to the ground crews to "watch out!"

Photo was taken in 1945

No wonder I couldn't identify any crew. Coming from Griehl, I took this information for granted... However this doesn't change anything concerning our 514 Squadron matters. I in fact wanted to know whether the G1 was fitted with a code on the nose and this could be the case (at least for NJG3). I still haven't decided whether I should have it added on the draft.

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Damn that's a beautiful aircraft Skipper67! Let me know if you'd like me to make a signature image out of that for you, I'd love to see it everytime I read your posts!

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