good point!

my bad!

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Scott

JCF Anymore pics of captured artillery?

I think I have some I will have to look

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I'm not angry, and what's the mud?

What kind of evidence do you want;

All the merchant ships the germans captured?
All the naval ships the germans captured?
All the planes the germans captured?
All the coastal fortifications the germans captured?
All the rifles the germans captured?
All the guns the germans captured?
All the vehicles the germans captured?

And later on, in 1945;
All the merchant ships the allied captured?
All the naval ships the allied captured?
All the Luftwaffe planes the allied captured? (Some 1000 planes!)
All the coastal fortifications the allied captured?
All the rifles and the machineguns the allied captured?
All the guns the allied captured?
All the vehicles the allied captured?

And all this became a part of an NATO defense in The Cold War.
Believe me, I grew up in the shadow of the nuclear tests at Novaya Zemlja, and the F-104's screaming overhead every day to intercept Soviet planes!
This is an endless merry-go-round, and it surprises
me that you don't see this!

Regards
RAM

I would love to see if you have them . I have to see if I have anymore.

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I forgot to say thanks for this info Adam .

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What about these ones:
38 cm guns that were meant for the 3rd battleship in the Bismarck/Tirpitz-class, but it was never built.
Today mounted in the coastal fortifications at Kristiansands and Harstad.
Regards
RAM

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Interesting thread JCF, some good pics etc.

Of course warriors have always used captured kit, just surprising that the US, industrial powerhouse that it was, needed to. You can't really suggest not discussing something on the basis that 'it always happens' now can you.

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I do find it interesting as I have said before that in 1944 the supply of ammunition for US artillery was so low that the Army had to use captued equipment to make up for it. Lack of planning? Or was the Army so confident that the war was going to end soon that they allowed the stocks to run low in anticipation of a early end ?

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Good point Stefan,
I was somewhat surprised too, given the huge war machine that America had set up. I read in one of George Kaskimaki's books that they tried not to use the small arms of the enemy, because it gave off a distinct sound. Hearing that sound they would think it was the enemy near them, and shoot!

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...this army made up of ex-resistence men and named by the Prince Himself, became known as the STOOTTROEPEN(Stormtroopers).
Nulli Cedo = I'll give way to no one.

Scott

Well, I suppose when you consider the speed of the advance across Europe and the problems with getting supplies to forward units it is less surprising. Consider the situation before Market Garden, Generals vying to be the main effort so that they could have sufficient supplies to actually advance. I think the real surprise is that the US went to the effort of forming a unit specifically to use German artillery rather than soldiers just making the most of what they captured.

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wow, I didn't know that! I'll have to look that up!

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...this army made up of ex-resistence men and named by the Prince Himself, became known as the STOOTTROEPEN(Stormtroopers).
Nulli Cedo = I'll give way to no one.

Scott

LOL I kinda mentioned them earlier in the thread bigfun LOL :P. I seem to remember somewhere that the US Army modified German 155 shells for Army use.

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There is a fantastic thread about it here:

US Army Units use of captured German Artilley in Europe

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oops! lol!!!
my memory is slipping!!

your'e cracking me up Stefan!

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Nulli Cedo = I'll give way to no one.

Scott

Happens to the best of us LOL. Some more then others though LOL.

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I know not american but its Russian so its still the allies, is this alright?

German made PaK 40's captured by the Russians

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At the going down of the sun and in the morning
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That was the only one in my books I can find, but there is one of the americans using some Germans 88's but I cant find it, I hate that.

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At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We shall remember them. Lest We Forget

Yes they were LOL. Thanks. The Soviets I think were the largest users of enemy equipment.

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Look at the elevation on those! Must be shooting at some serious range.

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When I did my military service back in 1972/73 we had 2 pieces of 88 mm guns from WWII, they were still the most accurate guns at that time. We also had the M109's with 155 mm guns, but they were howitzers and used for other purposes.
Some 40 years old at that time, the 88 mm's hardly ever missed their target...
Regards
RAM
Retired Royal Norwegian Ordnance Corps.