Hello all:

There's a number of accounts of Allied nightfighters coming upon Lufwaffe nightfighter duos consisting of (generally) a Ju 88 and an Fw 190.

Did this actually happen, or does it belong with the stories of Foos and nocturnal Me 163s?

Whether true or not, were there any losses of single-engined nightfighters near the beachhead on 6/7 August '44?

Cheers,

Mark

Mark

think it is one of oversight as in 1945 there are still many accts of single engiens being seen at night, granted 1./NJGr 10 and NJG 11 were still in operation but scantily so. I have no info that the twins and singles ever operated together on any operation.

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Thanks Erich, that's what I figured.

Any single-engined losses near/over the beachhead 6/7 August?

Mark

only 2 Bf 110G-4's from 8./NJG 4 in the area of Mortain-Avranches both given as lost in night engagements

forgot to mention that I./JG 301 with Bf 109G-6's did operate through August before they were ordered into Germany and re-equipped with Fw 190A-8/A-9's for day time defense.

the lost 2 Bf 109's on the night of August 8/9, 1944 at St. Pol sur Mehr in France and at Ledeghem in Belgium due to action with the RAF.

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Hi Erich:

Thanks for that. I had one of the 110s in Mortain-Avranches as being Bf 110G-4 Wnr. 140320 3C+CS, Hptm. Helmut Bergmann of 8./NJG4, claimed by F/L Surman of 604 Squadron.

I've three other claims for "Avranches" - all for Ju 88s or 188s!

Many thanks also for the 8/9 August information. It so happens there were two claims for single-engined fighters that night by 239 Squadron, however only one of them seems to be in your area - Mossie chased a contact "into the moon" (I assume this would mean towards the north (????)) for 15 minutes, then claimed it as an Fw 190 shot down at 00:20 near "St. Quentin". Naturally, there are approximately 147, 392 places called St. Quentin in France.

The other claim appears to have been much further south, near Aire. This one has me really crossed up - the 109 was even lit up by searchlights before being attacked, seen to be shot down by another squadron aircraft at 23:55.

Ah well.

Hoped to have some matches for you - no go. Live and learn I guess...

Cheers,

Mark

glad they were of some use mark. I do have at a later date in August 44 a Fw 190A-8 of 4./NJG 10 shot down over Boekelo, Holland the pilot killed.

Bf 109G-6, white 7 of Fw. Enno Hansen shot down in action over France, he was from 1./JG 301.

both pilots KIA on August 18./19. 1944

last one for August 44 was another Bf 109G-6 of 1./JG 301 crashed after air action, the pilot bailed out wounded on August 27./28. 1944, no place shown or time.

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Thanks again Erich:

I've nothing for 18/19, however the 27/28 incident was down to a 25 Squadron pilot (I can't find a name), flying HK304, a Mk.XVII with SCR 720 radar.

Cheers,

Mark

Mark if you find anything on the latter please send as to report or ? via private email

Hi Erich:

The only things I have re: 27/28 are from "vidocq" Bert Hartmann's Luftwaffe Bullet board.

Bf 109 G-6, near Cambrai, Ww Martin Schulze bailed out wounded and transported to hospital in Cambrai.

"Mosquito" gives serial as HK304. It says it was a 25 Squadron aircraft (confirmed by the Air Britain serial number books), but I haven't found a pilot name or combat report.

Cheers,

Mark

anything will help Mark, if you run across it you know where I am. will do a double check as I may have more, are you interested in September 44 at all for S/E's ?

Hi again Erich:

Thanks for the offer. Yes, absolutely, would be very interested in anything you have re: the single-engined NJs.

Cheers,

Mark

ok man let me look here as I have some of the files sitting on my desk right now .........

this is a twin engine He 219A-0 in this case.Mmark can you confirm that Mossie from 157sq shot this down on December 18/19. 1944 - 22.15 hrs, coded G9+GH ??

looking for the elusive s/e's right now, went through 1 loses book and found a big fat 0.

will look through another volume

Mark something interesting concerning 1./NJG 11. Lt. Heinrich Tönnies crashed after luftkampf on the night of Oct. 21/22, 1944 in white 33. He was KIA, Bf 109G-6/AS near Lippstadt.

night of Oct. 23/24, 1944, Bf 109G-6/AS crashed killing pilot after Luftkampf: Uffz. August Müller near Müllekoven. another 1./NJG 11 pilot.

Hi Erich:

Thanks for looking. As to the He 219, I know that one was claimed in the Osnabrueck area on the night in question. MM640, RS-I, a Mk.XIX of 157 Squadron, F/L William Taylor and F/O Jeffery N. Edwards. "Contact picked up at 6 miles range as it orbited and climbed steeply. Visual was obtained when range was 2,000 feet, 80' above. To avoid overshooting, Mosquito dropped back and weaved, another visual being gained 30' above, and the chase continued for 5 minutes before the e/a could be identified as an He 219. Fire was opened from 250 yards, but Mosquito encountered target's slipstream - some strikes were observed in the fuselage, but e/a turned slowly to port and peeled off. Although visual was lost, the target was followed on AI until lost at 12,000 feet, and a few moments later the e/a exploded on the ground."

2005 says this was He 219 A-0 Wrk. Nr. 190229 G9+GH of 1./NJG 1, Uffz Herbert Scheuerlein (pilot) bailed out, but his radar operator, Uffz Hans-Guenther Heinze, was killed.

That's all the info I have on that one.

Cheers,

Mark

Hi Again Erich:

I'm afraid I've nothing for October 21/22, just a Day Ranger to the Munich area by 418 Squadron on the 22nd. Same for 23/24 - not a sausage.

Cheers,

Mark