I know many have read on them and know that the French would welcome these guys more often in 1944-45-so any idea who and how many actually joined the French legion? And other historical events as well?


Hans Josef Wagemüller ?

[ 07. January 2003, 11:20 AM: Message edited by: Kai-Petri ]

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I know that many served with 2 Rep. Legion Etrangere in Vietnam, and some managed to get out before Dien Bien Phu...some didn't and I can imagine they were returned after hostilities or were forced to work in Laotion and Cambodian POW camps..

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I know at least 4 men joined as I have seen them with the Tricolour armbands.
Other than that-my numbers show that 84 Frenchmen served in the Waffen SS 'Foreign Legion'...

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After WW II, "La Legion Étrangère" consited to a large percentage out of Germans. After the war in Algeria ended in 1962, the "German" proportion was lowered, but you will feel the "esprit allemandes" until today in the Legion (rather bizarre watching French or Serbian legionaires singing German military songs).

In WW II, German legionaires faught against the Wehrmacht, others were drafted into a German penalty Batallion.

Until 1965, approx. 125,000 Germans served in the French Legion. It's notable that they didn't have to swear an oath on France but on their unit.

"Legio patria nostra"!

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Interesting article, but that site is seriously f*cked up. I wouldn't trust anything it said. Internet info is always suspect, but especially when it comes from a Neo-Nazi site. "Tightrope"? What a bunch of turds.

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DAMN!!!

Seriously, internet sources NEED to be checked more before posting them on a site like this. That Tightrope site is one of the MOST OFFENSIVE things I have seen yet. "Free White Power Music"? "Ni*ger Jokes"?? The "Lynching Section"???

This is getting ridiculous. Sorry if I seem to be picking on you, Kai, but that's the second BLATANT neo-nazi site you have posted in as many days. Are these the "sources" you use???

Damn... stuff like that will quickly scare away many people... not to mention the reputation that follows...

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I have removed the site.

Sorry for the bad feelings it brought!

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No matter how bad that site was that Kai posted-I think the good things he posts on these forums and the knowledge he brings far outweigh the trash that site produces.

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It is good to see however that all of us here are so Anti-Nazi though!!!

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Agreed, Kai, keep on with the sites, few duff ones around and we all find em sometimes.

If any one posts a duff one its good that theres someone around to point it out. No harm done. OK some could be put off by em, but its also a chance for others to see the revisionists taken on.

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Kai Petri has posted over 1300 posts and they can't all be jewells !!! Besides I like looking at weirld sites to see there are people crazier than me KEEP POSTING MR P !!!!!

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Thanx Guys! Much appreciated! I feel like Churchill after El Alamein now!

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I´ll try to keep on the nice articles coming...

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OK, wait a sec...

So Kai dosen't have to take the time to LOOK at the things he posts???

That's pretty sad... "Hey, just post whatever you want. Who cares???"

Anyone ever think someone might get offended by "Free Nigger Jokes" or "The Truth About Aushwitz"??? Oh, but "The Lynching Section" was really quality.

This is sad.. I was under the impression that at least we all try to post intelligent, well thought out information. But I guess not... apparently, if it's a website, then we don't even need to check it out.

(As an aside- I would much rather hear what someone has to say themselves. It really takes no time or effort to just cut and paste stuff from someone else's website-SPAM anyone?. And obviously, if this stuff is coming from a Neo-Nazi site, even Kai didn't look closely at it.)

I just feel sorry for someone who logs onto this site for the first time and happens to look at one of those links.


Of course, none of the above even addresses the
reliability of any of these sites. Guess we don't care about that, either?

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Any historian worth anything checks his (or her) sources. Plain and simple.

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I certainly agree with your assertion on sites on net and I tend to just go off the cuff myself with my own theories and beliefs after reading, talking or remembering rather than quoting sites as like all things on the net most sites are only the views of the writer and like any written word should be taken not be taken as fact unless corroborated elsewhere and by others too.

But we can all make mistakes. I've seen many things on reading as many of the older posts as I could on joining these forums as a recent member that I dont agree with or are not truthful, but I have yet to see any really bad racist stuff or anti nationality stuff, I dont doubt though that there has been some on a forum such as this it will attract the occasional prat, and I take it any of these have been removed.

This incident doesnt look to me like an attempt by any member of the forums at racism or revisionism etc, it looks more like a mistake and one for which the poster has apologised for.

To be honest I have not looked at the sites you quote and now you have informed us what they contain I wont be looking at them, but Im willing to give the benefit of the doubt to anyone who posts on here and makes the occasional faux pas, and as you say yourself Crazy, even Kai didnt look at it properly. Sometimes we all dont look at things properly. Its a human fault, not a personal fault.

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I should clarify and correct myself... I got heated earlier. (Then got home from work and had to spend two hours fixing worm virus on computer- )

First off, I did not mean to attack Kai excessively. His contributions are some of the best and most consistent on the forums. Plain and simple. I think he did exactly the right thing- when the nature of the site was pointed out, he removed the link.

And as a second clarification... I do not consider Kai's posts to be Spam in any way. That was a quick and poor choice of words. To be more clear, I do sometimes wish that some posters would post more of their own thoughts and ideas.
And, as mentioned in my comments earlier, I do have an inherent scepticism towards most internet sources. I won't deny that... but it also probably wont change. Sorry! I know, That's just Crazy

Completely correct. And in the case of the sites Kai posted, I 100% agree with you. Certainly a forgiveable error, and certainly an error anyone could make.

That being said...

I would maintian one of my points though. I got heated because that was the second time a site with pretty clear neo-nazi leanings was posted on this site. I do think that we all have a responsibility for the information we contribute here. When we read a book, things are usually pretty simple. Bias is usually pretty obvious. Poor writing tends to stand out more. Sources, or lack thereof, can clearly be seen. If we post a website, we still need to account for factors like this. Who authored the site? If the site is a sub-domain, what about the rest? Is there any accounting for sources or evidence?
Websites need to be looked at just as critically as any other source. Rather, considering how little consistency there is on the web, and even more, considering a couple of the sites that have come up in this forum, maybe we should scrutinize websites even more closely than other sources...

[ 08. January 2003, 08:58 PM: Message edited by: CrazyD ]

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I know it sounds boring but I agree with both of you. I have myself committed two of these faux pas not too long ago. In the first instance, in a thread about Hitler's artwork, I linked to a David Irvine site. I hardly knew who David Irvine was or the controvacy named after him. I surfed in on an article on his site through a search engine and thought I'd post a link to it. Martin was so kind to point out to whose site I'd invited everybody to go. I felt quite stupid, not having taken the precaution of finding out about the "legitimacy" of the site(-owner) and whether it would be wishful to post it here. However, The link was merely to illustrate my own post/question.

But then shortly afterwards, I made the error to 'blindly' quote from a site which turned out to be owned by a man who is apparantly rather sympathetic towards the ss. (Thanks to Timo for pointing that one out). Here I must say that the use of words in that quote indeed should have triggered something with me. All I can say is that I was indeed excited to have found something on that particular subject. I was more interested in the 'facts'in that story than the 'poetic license' of the writer i.e. approach of the writer to the subject as shown in his writing style/choice of words. Big mistake.

My Lessons-learned is to check more carefully the source that I am quoting or linking to. (let that be one of my resolutions for the new year [img]smile.gif[/img] )I AM responsible for what I post here and I am inviting people to visit that site and read that stuff. Internet is even more prone to having rubbish published on it than is the case with books. It has become possible for virtual everyone to publish whatever they want, so scruntiny is of the utmost importance. We all have come across sites/texts that made us laugh, cringe, smile sarcastically or just plain upset.

So, Crazy, come on and give me a hug! (see other thread )

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Understood CrazyD and my mistake.

Unfortunately I had gone through several sites and after reading alot the message it had did not reach me in full, though I could say the ideology was very bad. Somehow though,I included it.That was wrong.

But I do know that we can always give a tip to our friends of a "bad" article. So let´s continue this way!

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Yes, Maybe in the future when such sites do have information that is relevant to post here, we should explicitly state what kind of site it is. Or use a banner, like in Holland on sigaret-packets: SMOKING KILLS YOU AND PEOPLE AROUND YOU.

We could ask Peppy to make a banner saying something like: THIS WEBSITE MIGHT BE DANGEROUS FOR YOUR EMOTIONAL WELL-BEING. Or something like that....A warning that the site to which you just posted a link, is, or might be considered "Of Ill repute"...

BTW Kai, succes in your new job!

[ 09. January 2003, 01:09 AM: Message edited by: Stevin Oudshoorn ]

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Good stuff, Gents.

A "disclaimer" might be a good idea with questionable sites... but I don't even necessarily think it's usually required. Again, I clearly think that there is no doubt here that in all these cases the use of inappropriate websites have been simple mistakes on someone's part.
And, despite my scepticism, there is plenty of valuable information on the internet. I get the idea that in some subjects, such as German WW2 awards information, the internet has facilitated massive leaps in communication and research.
And a further point to throw in here... inacurate sites can be "valuable" to us as well. Even if we know a site is false or misleading, we can still have plenty of good discussions in pulling that site apart!

I'd really say that the ONLY thing that should be taken from these recent sites is a note of caution for all of us. Incorrect (or useless!!) sites are one thing, but once one gets into areas that could easily offend, one needs to be VERY careful and thorough.

In a way, it can even be seen as a good thing that every now and then one of these sites, or similar information, is brought up. It reminds us all to check our work, and reminds of the potential sensitivity involved in studying WW2.

Again, Kai, sorry to bite your head off! Entirely unintentional!

Hee hee... Stevin, I've seen a couple of those *sniffle* threads lately... I couldn't resist!
The sentiments about this forum are certainly accurate...

But after reading some threads, I'm a bit worried that someone is going to suggest we research the "secrets of the Ya-ya Sisterhood"!

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Divine Secrets of the Ya Ya Sisterhood! Shame on you....

I really would like a Ya Ya name...Do you know where I can get one?
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oh boy...

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