My review of anti war protest

On the 13th of April I decided to take a look at the anti war protest live. It was on Hollywood and about 10 blocks from where I live and since the annoying sound of a helicopter was already near my house I went to look at the protest. As I started my walk I’ve noticed vehicles with “No War on Iraq” stickers and some other anti war writing. I came to LaBrea and Hollywood and noticed about five police autos and some other government vehicles. There were a lot of people ready to make a concert and Green Party stand and some other organizations. I’ve also noticed people with “Impeach Bush” posters. The protesters were still far away so I started walking. The police was present everywhere and the streets were sealed off. I stopped walking at Hollywood & Highland and then the war protestors started to come. The first people looked like they were smoking some good stuff before getting on the anti war action. Some carried signes that said “F*CK Bush” other something else. There was a pattern of the clothing these people carried, it looked like the hobos gave them that clothing. I wanted to ask one of these protestors “Where were you when Kosovo was bombed?” The chances are these people would not know what Kosovo is. Some of them had a shirt with a picture of Malcolm X, the guy was a racist and told blacks to kill white people.

In the end, in the city of more then 2,000,000 people only 2,800 showed up for the protest and some were from other cities. These people lost the war and they will loose a lot of things with their geographical skills and their understanding of the world.

These anti-war protestors are idiots. It seems like the people who have an inteligent anti-war statement, have enough of a life not to go to these protests. I support the war but still I don't think its good to go in without UN, and the route they have taken, because now Syria "supports terrorism" "has chemical weapons".

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I was thinking the same thing yesterday when they were talking about Syria. I am still waiting for them to find something in Iraq.
In a few months, Bush will be after Canada's A-bombs. You know those Eskimos have mustard gas in their igloos just waiting for a chance to use it.

But if people want to get out and protest something,then good for them. At least they don't just sit around and grip and do nothing about what is bothering them. Many in this country don't even bother to vote at all.

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Work Harder ! Millions on welfare are depending on you.

Off course you have the right to prostet and express your opinion.

I'm still waiting on the first evidence of the WMD that Iraq has. Also the world now sees that it wastn't only Iraq, but the whole Middle-East.

First Iraq, then Syria, who will be next? ...... Jordan, Iran????

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You know Erwin, someone has to do something. In todays world it is the U.S who is doing something and not anyone else. Look at Mexico as it bashes Bush, but what will Mexico do when Iraq is going to gas someone.

Also I found this on the interenet and made me think

Syrian Military

"1. Missiles. The missile inventory of Syria is rather impressive. They
include a large supply of FROGS, SCUDS, SCUDS-CD, and the Scarab SRBM.
These are well-respected by JIR (Jane's Intelligence Review) and most
importantly, by Israel. Syria easily has the most respected military
force in the Arab world. What this means in the real world is that these
missiles can hit ANY U.S./Israeli base within the Middle East theater
which is being used to launch airstrikes against their territory. The
inventory is well-stocked and there is plenty of supply, supplemented
with the ability to deliver these missiles with advanced Russian mobile
launchers. The missiles are also highly accurate and include the Scud-CD
which is believed to be targeted at the main Israeli nuclear site near
Dimona.

2. Air Defense. A BIG worry with any war with Syria. The Syrian military
is believed to have anywhere from 60-65,000 members of various brigades
doing NOTHING but manning the sophisticated air defense weaponry. They
include around 700 SA-2, SA-3 and SA-5 static launchers. They also have
approximately 300 SA-6 mobile 3X launchers - as well as a huge arsenal
of more traditional anti-aircraft artillery.

3. The Army. In the mechanized divisions alone, Syria has just over a
quarter million full-time troops. Enough said.

4. The Air Force. The Syrian Air Force is what helps bring respect to
the capabilities of the Syrian military. With personnel of around
70,000, the Syrian Air Force has jets scattered through the country that
include mostly older (but still very capable) Migs. The training of the
pilots have been a priority of the Syrian Air Force since they badly
lost skirmishes in 1982 over Lebanon. According to Jane's, the Syrian
pilots probably now rank in the top ten in the world. A lot has happened
since 1982.

5. Fail Safe. Syria has the ability to effectively end the Israeli
state, (as we now know it) with non-nuclear WMD. It's not known exactly
what is in the Syrian arsenal, but with the means to deliver missiles
that can easily hit Israel with GPS precision guided missiles, the cost
of war with the United States would most likely mean attacks on Israel.
This brings in the Israeli nuclear question and has long been feared. If
Syria were to feel it's regime is threatened, most intelligence analysts
believe it is highly probable they would attempt to deal a first strike
at the Israeli nukes, which Syrian intelligence is believed to know the
exact coordinates."


After we are done with Syria, historians will call this "Six Second War" because it would take Syrians six seconds to pick up a white flag and wave them.

Erwin did you also know that Lebanon a province of Syria is a home to all idiots who fight for Jihad?

I was watching some Russian channel and these guy said that they will fight for anything that has jihad. Some of them were alredy in Chechnia killing Russian Solders. Makes you think doesn't it when one of these guys becomes an immigrant to France

Val, your description of Syria....Replace the name for Iraq...Then tell me again what the threat is, go back on your research and you will see that the same things were said of Iraq...

Just what was the threat from Iraq? To the USA?

We were told they had BIO/CHEM and would release them when cornered.

Did you see the pics of the US forces when they took Sadman international airport? For a force under implicit threat of chem or bio attack if we were to believe the stories, how many troops did you see in nbc kit.

Your in danger of believing too much of what you are supposed to believe.

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By the way Vslav Im sure your aware Syria is not a signatory to any bio chem treaties under UN auspices, unlike Iraq who were and were legaly binding under international law to do something about it...Although the international community had different veiws on how it should be done.

Bit like states not wanting to be part of the international ban on landmines. Thats why you still have em and ignore the rest of us.

In the time from 1441 to Blix withdrawing how much banned weapons ordincance was destroyed?

How much has been found and been destroyed since that date?

How many scuds not the ones on FOX or CNN but how many scuds were fired into Kuwait again?

How many chemical finds did Fox report during the war and how many were factual?

Guerre a la Fox.

Apologies if this is repeated my machine keeps playing up...
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True Urqh.

Look at the figures for Israel on http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/

You'll notice that Israel - if I use the same measures as you to say when a state is dangerous - then Israel is one of them.

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Israel is dangerous you must be a good politician in Belgium because it would the only place on earth to believe that. Sure it is dangerous to France and Germany and the Arab world but then again Russia is dangerous too.

Would any one of you anti war people would like to tell me where were you when Serbian kids were killed by bombs? I'm starting to believe a Serb who told me that you did not know where Kosovo is located. That is true, I mean wasn't Europe using pro Arab news channels and during Yugoslavian conflict there was no pro Serb channel. I would like Sussan Surendon to tell me where she was when Kosovo was beombed, then again she was probably looking at the world map to find where the Balkans are.

Might be a bit galling for you to understand, but your generelisations are heading back upwards to the clouds again Vslav...Anti war? Sorry to demolish your thinking, but anti war I am certainly not..You have problems understanding that, then thats ok, thats your problem not mine.

When Serb kids were being killed by bombs, I for one was looking at the overall picture of Kosovan refugees being taken care of by British troops in the camps setup by the British army.

I was looking at the weekly flights of evacuated refugees being flown into the UK for their own safety.

I was looking at the British army and British politicians calling and massing on border ready to start a land invasion, while others were balking at it.

I watched as British troops were the first up the road to Pristina, with our troops being killed by unexploded ordinance in school yards while clearing them.

I watched as paras prepared to board helos in a field to take by force Pristina airport on the whim of Nato commander in chief even though they knew the Russians were in place and had suckered the allied force..but ready to go none the less.
Only stopped when British commander countermanded the order and stated he would not start ww3 on the whim of someone who was not prepared to use own troops.

I watched as Britain called all other nations including the United states to act...to invade with land forces to stop the violence against the Kosovans even if it meant troop losses, and I watched as we were ignored by ALL until eventually there was no other way.

I watched as the aeriel bombardment claimed to destroy the Serb mechinised forces, only to see the same forces being withdrawan with smiling Serb force a few weeks later, with hardly any damage.

What where you watching? Monty Python?

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Wow, here we go again.

You know what makes me REAL sad:

It's not the U.S. unilaterism, not that war seemingly become a usual tool of politics or the fact that wars are fought with God and against the Pope.

I wouldn't be that concerned if the people would only blame the Bush administration and the minority of Americans nationalists who voted for him years ago.
Europe always had their problem with ultra-Republican Presdidents, Nixon, Reagan, nothing new.

It's my observation that the sympathy for America and even worse: for the American people is dropping 10 times faster than the NASDAQ index last year. At least here in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Turkey, Spain, Italy, Scandinavia, South Africa. Don't have friends elsewhere to talk to on that issue.

With the U.S. failing to putting in all efforts to convince the people and nations to join her, she signals them people and nations out there (who are as much affected as any other), that she does not care, that they are nonrelevant.

You can't imagine how dissapointed people are here, and the wave of anti-Americanism isn't the same of the Vietnam-war or the Hippies Vyacheslav described. Some millions on the street demonstrating against America isn't the problem: the did it before, will do in the future.

I'm concerned that people who would never dare to say a bad word against America, people who admired the "just" U.S.A. for her ideals, her freedom, the protection she gave them, are awfully disspointed. They are turning away, delusioned, afraid.

You're reading right, afraid.

I think no one is even realizing what demage had been done by on that darn Iraq/Syria/whoeverwillbenext-issue. America lost many friends here in Europe, and vice versa those Europeans lost their American friends. Sad indeed.

If this is the result of 9/11 and the "New World Order", Bin Laden gained a huge victory.

Just threwing in some cents from the Europe of the "unwilling".

Cheers,

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I really would love to know why Israel is dangerous to Germany, but on the other hand, I think it's better I don't ask.

Cheers anyway,

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Well put Andy.

Best regards/ Daniel

If you say Russia is dangerous, then probably the US is too.

But wait ............. off course not, they "liberate" people and "bring peace".

I don't think that the Arab people still believe this after Bush threatens to attack Syria.

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Well put Andy...

A quick history lesson...

During the Iraq/Iran war, the US actually supported Sadam and gave him weapons, many of which the US are now claiming to be WMD.

My own views...

After they are done 'liberating' Iraq and setting up a US military government, they'll move on to Syria and possibly even Iran. Now, get one point straight, I'm extrememly proud of the American troops, and my heart goes out to all those who have died, but the way they are freeing the Iraqi people just doesn't seem right to me.

This whole situation reminds me (vaguley) of when Reagan tried to have the leader of Iran killed by bombing his palace, turns out that the target was away on buisness and the bombs ended up killing his daughter and other family members.

one big mumbojumbo....

DUCE

[ 15. April 2003, 01:44 PM: Message edited by: DUCE ]

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"War is the fruit of man's depravity; it is a convulsive and violent sickness of the body politic.." Diderot

70% of Americans support Bush and the war on Iraq. The New World Order you speak of is just the action U.S takes thanks to French ignorance. We all know what France is trying to do, build E.U so the Europeans one time in history are able to stand up against someone. As the Axis of Envy (Russia, Germany, and France) get together the world news forgot to mention that Russia all of a sudden moved its troops from the Balkans and from Transdnistria. Why? Now they are afraid that U.S. might find that Europe was doing more then helping Saddam. What France and Germany don't realize is that economically U.S. will hurt them. As the U.S troops move East from German bases to Austria and Poland Russia will learn its lessons too.


Schroeder’s days in the office are just finishing. If I was his opponent now I would tell people that "He promised peace, but the war was on anyway."

As the war started Germany started helping U.S. but not saying anything publicly. As for French, they opened visas for Saddam and his family and allowed people to make fun of U.S. and physically abuse those who support the U.S.

The U.S economy is going well, thank you. As this war will end and American companies will make money in Iraq. The German unemployment rate is jumping high over 10%. Ask a German and he'll tell it is because of immigration, so why not just close the border? What Americans will soon realize that that countries like Sweden and Belgium make most of their money from tourists so when it is time for U.S traveler to go on an adventure England or Spain or even Australia would not be that bad.


Seems like the 21st century will only have one world power and the chances of E.U. being one is far from happening. The E.U is not a Capitalistic idea rather it is what Karl Marx dreamed of all his life.

Duce,

You sound like one of those anti war protestors. Could you please tell me where would I find the WMD that US gave to Iraq? The last time I checked French helped Saddam build a nuke factory.

I really would love to know why Israel is dangerous to Germany, but on the other hand, I think it's better I don't ask.

Cheers anyway, </font>[/quote]Do they teach what happened to Jews in Europe during World War II and during 1970's Olympics?

Majority of Jews still don't buy Ford or own a Mercedes. I would not doubt that there is a nuke looking at these four places in Europe right now: Russia, Ukraine, Germany, and France.

Val, Im not German, but maybe one of our German cousins could answer this...Shroeder only just won an election...Val says his term is nearly over..What is the case here, is Val correct, I thought hed just won his electionl.

As to France opening visas Val for Hussein...thats news and very important info..Can you share your scources for that as I see that as being pretty vital information if true. Please let us know your scource on this.

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Val Im sorry but your getting into fantasy island and your just reeling off stuff that is plainly not true..And im trying to be nice here...Austria in not a neutral nation isnt it? Not part of Nato..Even refused transit and was critisised by Rumsfeld for troops heading for Turkey via Italy over its territory..Have I missed Austria joining the club...If so Im sorry to critisise.

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Val, Im not German, but maybe one of our German cousins could answer this...Shroeder only just won an election...Val says his term is nearly over..What is the case here, is Val correct, I thought hed just won his electionl.

As to France opening visas Val for Hussein...thats news and very important info..Can you share your scources for that as I see that as being pretty vital information if true. Please let us know your scource on this. </font>[/quote]Shroider won't be elected next time. I was watching Bill O'Reilly last night and the British source reported that France gave visas to Saddam. This is not surprising since it was the French who had his DNA.

Sorry Val, that should read, Austria is a neutral nation, and something that this forum should know all about as it is immensely important in the settlements of European boundaries and acts after world war 2. If its changed and gone by me in the last year then Ill be the first to apologise.

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If not Austria then Romanian and Hungary. There is an American Naval base in Russian loving city of Odessa in Ukraine.