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June 11th, 2003, 04:02 PM
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I am looking for a site that could give me any battle accounts of the Tank-Buster version of the Hawker Hurricane. Would also like to know how the aircraft and its Vickers 4omm "S" guns stacked up against the Ju-87's 37mm's.
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June 11th, 2003, 04:33 PM
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I'll straightaway annoy you with an out-of-print book - 'Hurricane - The War Exploits Of The Fighter Aircraft ' by 'Adrian Stewart' ( William Kimber, London, 1982 ).
This includes a long chapter about the 'tank-busting' Hurricanes. ( The author's name is a nom-de-plume disguising a former Hurricane pilot who did not wish to be identified ).
You should be able to find a copy on ABE or Bookfinder - it's worth buying for the cover painting alone !
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June 11th, 2003, 05:57 PM
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Martin, I have a little question that may be particularly well suited to you. My Grandfather watched an air display at Hendon in the early 1940's, I think it was around 1942 as it seems to have been soon after he got his commission but before he went to fight. Anyhow, he said he saw a Hurricain destroy a tank for the display and I think it was using rockets. Does this make sense and what type of Hurricain would it be?
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June 11th, 2003, 06:20 PM
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Wow ! Those 3-inch rockets ( or 'RP's in RAF parlance ) were never very accurate and if a couple went astray at Hendon.....
But the timing of your uncle's memory does fit.... Late in 1941, Hurricane IIA Series 2 Z2415 was fitted with three launcher rails under each wing and tested at Boscombe Down. Two other aircraft soon followed and were fitted with eight under-wing rails. Trials were successfully completed by May 1942 but no immediate use was made of RP-equipped Hurricanes operationally.
The Typhoon came into service in Northern Europe but RP Hurricanes were used by No 6 Squadron in Italy employing Hurricane IVs in anti-shipping strikes from February 1944 onwards. They then went to the Balkans where they were used in an anti-tank role.
This information comes from another book ( sorry ! [img]redface.gif[/img] ), Francis K Mason's undisputed 'Bible' entitled, simply, The Hawker Hurricane ( Aston Publications, 1987 )which tells you just about everything you ever wanted to know about the Hurricane - even the fate of every single one ever built.....
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June 11th, 2003, 06:49 PM
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Thanks Martin, I was thinking about it and I reckon he was wrong, I thing it was on sailsbury plain as there are firepower displays there on a regular basis (saw one a while back WOOOOW). Anyhow, thanks, that has sorted something I have wondered about for a while.
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June 13th, 2003, 03:16 PM
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Have been watching "The Battle of Britian" again for the umpteenth time and I know of no other movie that shows "Spit's" and "Hurricanes" and others so well. A lot of wonderful, well known actors as well; however, I can't stop thinking of "Jaws" everytime I see Robert Shaw- he'll always be the ill mannered, boat captain named "Quint" to me! [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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June 13th, 2003, 05:14 PM
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Agree with you about 'BofB', wilconqr. Absolutely the best and never-to-be-repeated without computer trickery. On the 30th anniversary of the film I met two of the RAF pilots who flew for the movie - they had some great tales to tell ! In those days, the warbirds weren't looked on as multi-million pound investments - so those guys really flew the 'planes in that film : hard !
Actually, Shaw worked hard at producing a very good impersonation of 'Sailor' Malan ( called 'Skipper' in the film...).
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June 13th, 2003, 07:07 PM
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Doe's anyone know what ever happened to the Miles aircraft that they tried to convert to a flying Stuka but it was too unstable to use? I have a picture of it in one of my magazines but it was just a semi good conversion, a real Stuka fan could spot it as a fake in a second. They ended up using scale model Stukas in the film.
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June 13th, 2003, 07:31 PM
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I think the 'plane in question was a Percival Proctor, known on the set of the movie as a 'Proctuka'.
The conversion was done by Vivian Bellamy who probably took it back home and hid it somewhere because, as you rightly say, it was rejected in favour of r/c models.
Incidentally, two of the models collided accidentally during filming and it looked so good the scene is used twice from different angles...... 
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