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Old August 18th, 2005, 11:22 PM
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I was surfing and found this site that has pacific aircraft pictures and if you click on the "Hunters 322 sqn" button and go to the 5th, 6th, and 7th pictures you see a Hunter that looks like they are loading with two torpedos or something that looks like that. The site is in German I think so I can not read what it is. Did the Hunter carry torpedos ? Site has lots of good pictures that I have not seen before.
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Interseting photos.

Could be Oxygen bottles, they dont seem to be fitted.

Much too small for torpedoes.
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That is a possiblity. I was thinking it strange to put torpedos on a jet plane when you have to slow down so much to launch them.
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The things you are refering to are definitely some sort of GSE (Ground Support Equipment). They are not LOX or oxygen, the first photo in the hanger shows LOX / Oxygen carts in it.
My guess is they are some sort of start system for the engine using compressed gas of one sort or another. This would be in lieu of a high pressure blower system. I don't think the Hunter had a self-start system. Many jet fighters do not.
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Are they filling something just forward of the Cockpit??

Great site TA, while I can pick out lots of the commentray its a pity it isnt in English as well.

For the Aircraft archeology types, look at the 1946 tab and see the USAAF aircraft dumps.

Plenty of B24 & A20's
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Looking at other pages in the web page I think it is Dutch and not German and that 322 squadron is a Dutch unit. This is from the Dakota link page.

I think what you say makes sense TAG. I have seen blowers used on carriers to start jets and start carts at USAF bases so compressed gas cylinders and not torpedos seem to be the answer. I wish Stevin would look at the page and tell us for sure.
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I think I've got it.

Early Marks of the Hunter used a pyrotechnic-cartridge starter. In an effort to improve effiency the Hunter F.6 used a Plessey Isopropyl Nitrate ( AVPIN ) gas starting-system.

This proved almost worse than the previous method - the Nitrate proved highly unstable and instances were recorded of the storage bottles exploding

Oh yes - and the Dutch operated F.6s.....
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Look at the 1946 button Martin. It will make you cry. I wish someone would rediscover where that dump was and build some more warbirds out of the parts.
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Oooh, er.... Aircraft wrecks still appear from New Guinea, but not in that sort of quantity !

Just look at all those B-24s....

I often wish I could take a quick time-tunnel trip back to '46 with a shopping trolley : a Me262 and Fw190 for the back garden ( and as an investment ! ) would be fun !
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The captions seems to concur with Martin. It says: "Preparing Flight N101" and "Ready for Flight N101"

Voorbereiding = Preparing
Gereed = Ready

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That's two more words of Dutch I now know.... [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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So thats a total of 2........

I can work through a lot of it, however its often the words I cant work out that convey the most meaning.
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Look at the 1946 button Martin. It will make you cry. I wish someone would rediscover where that dump was and build some more warbirds out of the parts.
As I sit here blowing my nose and wiping my eyes I surely do hope that someone has been to those places and salvage that treasure-trove of history for something other than the scrap metal. Words fail me. Think of how the crew of Hell's Belle would feel coming across thier beloved war bird bulldozed into a heap and rotting in tropical conditions.(sniff)
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You may find this interesting : -

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Thanks for that link Martin. [img]graemlins/salute.gif[/img] After reading thru all the threads related to the finding of aircraft there I came across this tidbit. "Visiting most wrecks is an adventure in itself. Usually, it required to walking through tall kunai grass. This wild plant is sharp, and itchy and cuts the skin. The soot from the previous fire causes one to end up blackened. There is no breeze, and their is no shade from the sweltering sun. Snakes are common, both harmless pythons and taipans (aggressive snakes that average 7 feet in length), black snakes and puff adders. Hornet, that have much in common with killer bees, live in large termite like mounds. Mosquitos are always a nucence, and crocodiles are a real danger in swamps and river regions. The dryer winter season has fewer insects, but still has the intense heat, humidity and blazing sunlight."

I don't do 7 foot snakes and crocodiles !! I will have to leave the rediscovery to the History Channel while I sit in my chair and watch on TV. (born a couch potato, and will die a couch potato!)

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The "FLIGHTPATH" magazine produced in Australia has continual article about aircraft being recovered from PNG. There is also a continual discovery of Crew remains.

Getting to Biak would be a journey in itself, but the lack of development of the Island would mean the wreck COULD still exist.
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