Gulf War 3? - Page 3

Za Rodinu · #51 (**permalink**) February 13th, 2006, 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by Fury:
Richard, my case is simple. As I understand it, this forum is comprised of scholars, hobbyists, historians, and above all friends.

Considering there is a number of Irish in this forum, wouldn't it be a good idea adding "saints" to the list above? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Martin Bull · #52 (**permalink**) February 13th, 2006, 08:40 AM

The gulf of comprehension between Muslim and Western Democracies I can understand, but deplore.

But the widening gap in worldview between the USA and Europe - a generalisation, I agree - which can be seen in microcosm on this forum, is very sad indeed.

Possibly bin Laden's ( in his view ) 'greatest' achievement.

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Kai-Petri · #53 (**permalink**) February 13th, 2006, 11:31 AM

Personally I think George W should have thought of any other "good reasons" to attack Iraq. Later on nothing was found of the "miracle weapons" that was mentioned. Just because of those lies many countries find it hard to agree to that policy of attacking Iraq, and any other aggressive plan in case they are being fed similar lies.

That was totally stupid. After Sept 2001 the whole world was with Bush ( almost ) and after Iraq ...??

Richard · #54 (**permalink**) February 13th, 2006, 12:32 PM

Email sent to me interesting reading -

OxfordResearchGroup

http://www.iranbodycount.org/

TA152 · #55 (**permalink**) February 13th, 2006, 03:06 PM

Good article Richard ! Makes sense to me and all the more reason to find a way off oil dependance. I think a greater threat to the world is North Korea's nuclear program. It also shows how temperory an ally the USA is. In the 70's we were selling Iran everything they would buy for their military. We probably educated their engineers on how to go nuclear. [img]graemlins/no.gif[/img]

Erich · #56 (**permalink**) February 13th, 2006, 03:24 PM

As I have said several times the wmd's are still being covered up, they exist and have been moved in part. Be assured the present administraion knows this, why they have stated that there wer lies is a cover up. nearly every vet that has served over there on the two occassions have siad there are wmd's, in fact I will tell you the guys have taken pics of them.

Media even in this day and age is a propaganda ploy and the worlds populace has fallen gravely into it.

jpatterson · #57 (**permalink**) February 13th, 2006, 07:14 PM

Richard, that article was a good read. Problem remains though. What does the world do with a regime that has openly said it would like to see another state "wiped off the face of the earth".
Ignore it? Let it build nuclear weapons? It's a tough situation.

Later

Richard · #58 (**permalink**) February 13th, 2006, 08:36 PM

Well I can not see nuclear weapons being used it’s a no win situation, just a game of bluff I think all side should sit down and start talking if they can. For the moment it looks like things have settled down, it’s a waiting game for now.

Richard · #59 (**permalink**) February 15th, 2006, 01:46 PM

Destroying a country is easy but when it comes to clearing up the mess well we are not very good at that one, Afghanistan and Iraq are still a mess.

Going around and stamping your authority left, right and centre is not very smart. Who ever is doing it.

Richard · #60 (**permalink**) February 15th, 2006, 02:52 PM

[img]redface.gif[/img] My edit time is up I was going to add that all the Red Tape has not helped in the clean up of the mess.

Kai-Petri · #61 (**permalink**) February 16th, 2006, 08:43 AM

If you want to make an A-bomb that requires alot of resources and information. Actually I think you could cause the amount of trouble you wish with the simple "dirty" bomb i.e. some explosives + radioactive waste. It might not light up as nicely as an A-bomb but definitely nobody lives in that area for a while. I suppose it´s kinda the Ferrari of military world to have the A-bomb. I´m happy that nobody has used the dirty bomb and hope nobody ever will.

camz · #62 (**permalink**) February 16th, 2006, 09:37 AM

Well i think Red barron and Richard was right on the money, iraq was one of the most secular countrys of the middle east invading was a bad idea how ever you look at it.
Saddam was a tyrant i agree but with the abuse and repression that goes on in saudi arabia i think it is a little rich for the Americans to get on there high horse about human rights and democracy in the middle east when they are openly supporting some dictatorships that are pro-american and invading others that are not.

Richard · #63 (**permalink**) February 17th, 2006, 06:48 PM

In are case there must have been something in it for our corrupt government to invade Iraq and may be Iran? You don’t see our government sending British troops to Zimbabwe why because there is nothing for them.

bigiceman · #64 (**permalink**) February 18th, 2006, 04:33 AM

You have seen our governments send troops to impoverished natioins. Somalia is an example, so are Kosovo and the other Balkan areas the UN went into. When there is more at stake for our nations the response is larger, faster and more extensive, but we have gone other places.

As for Iran having a nuclear weapon only as a bluff. Do not underestimate your ability to misunderstand the capabilities of a fundamentalist. I am sure I don't understand the use of explosives strapped to your chest as a weapon. It does not stop them. To use a nuclear weapon on Israel would not be unthinkable. I would not say it is certain, but the players in Iran don't have the same rule book, that is one of the most dangerous things about them. Their motivations are not the same so it is hard to work with them to moderate a situation.

Richard · #65 (**permalink**) February 18th, 2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by :bigiceman
To use a nuclear weapon on Israel would not be unthinkable.

At the moment the Iran leaders are just using their mouths in a battle of words, but one day there will be leaders who will stop yapping and start a war with Israel and loose. They are so short sighted they can not see that fact.

Erich · #66 (**permalink**) February 18th, 2006, 05:09 PM

you must also realize what is underground in Iran as well as in Iraq and in Israel, Syria, etc. all sorts of neat little secrets. do not be so surprised if you wake up one morning hearing or reading that Israel has popped Iran's Nuclear facilities and there are at least 6 sites being investigated at present

Richard · #67 (**permalink**) February 18th, 2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by Erich:
do not be so surprised if you wake up one morning hearing or reading that Israel has popped Iran's Nuclear facilities and there are at least 6 sites being investigated at present

Interesting I shall keep an eye on the news.

Richard · #68 (**permalink**) February 20th, 2006, 06:06 PM

More News -

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/02/...ngeorgia.shtml

CrazyD · #69 (**permalink**) February 20th, 2006, 06:32 PM

Baron-

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Im no supporter of Islamic Fundamentalism, having seen its hatred first hand, but then I cant stand the far right Christian fundamentals who are springing up in the US. Personally, I would happily see most religions banned. There are too many who have perverted them for evil over the years.

VERY well said. VERY VERY VERY well said.

And I'm a full blooded American- and almost fully share your views on Iraq and the Bush administration and it's hand in furthering along the current climate of hatred we see. Who knows what the picture would be like in the Middle East right now if Iraq wasn't being occupied by 100,000+ US soldiers? Those boys are just good soldiers trying their best to do a good job of following orders, but the reasons (or lack thereof) and the motives to send them there... [img]graemlins/no.gif[/img]

Just beacuse the majority here espouse one point of view, don't believe it represents everyone from the states.

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(going to duck out after this post... the free-fire zone here can be an unsafe place once religion or politics comes into play...)

TA152 · #70 (**permalink**) February 20th, 2006, 06:48 PM

Oh come on Crazy ! You getting soft in your old age ? You used to be a Revolutionary. [img]graemlins/hsu.gif[/img]
Say something bizaar just to keep the thread hot. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

CrazyD · #71 (**permalink**) February 20th, 2006, 07:37 PM

TA- that gave me a great laugh! [img]graemlins/salute.gif[/img]
And it's marriage, not old age

It does seem- at least in some arenas- that being even slightly to the left can get one called "revolutionary", and I guess even "bizarre".

But I did feel the inclination to respond to RedBaron's post. The Bush administration at this point is really nothing more than a political joke. Scandal, rampant lies and misinformation, unrepentant warmongering... Far from "all Americans" agree with the war in Iraq or the reasons for it.

Tho you have to admire the whole "WMDs are there, they are just hidden" line of thinking... We could go over the entire country with a fine tooth comb, turn over every rock, look in every single house- and some would still come up with "explanations" as to where these mythical WMDs are. Next we hear, they'll be hidden by Saddam's agents in the lost continent of Atlantis.

Seriously, people have pictures of them...

(is that any better?

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