So, imagine it is 2008 and the civilian disarmament act has just been passed in both houses of congress (or whatever legislature you have in your country). The government is going on a systematic search of all civilian property in order to confiscate all illegal firearms, and there are stiff penalties for hiding firearms.

Now, do you willingly give up your weapons, or do you refuse and join a national group of "rebels" against the ridiculous law? If the latter, what firearms do you take with you, and why?

For me, I would most definitely not give up my firearms. I would take with me a long range rifle, something like a 30-06, or a .308 because of the availability of those popular calibers for rifles. Second, I would take as many Colt .45 pistols as I could because parts for those pistols are everywhere, and a Glock 40 because of its durability and .45 cartridge. I would also take a slingshot as a last resort because you can shoot anythring small from one with good effect if you know how to use it, and my machete and a knife.

Once I met up with people with the same mentality and we formed a solid group, I would go about stockpiling extra weapons in secret locations that could be accessed by all of us. We would also have decoy locations with small amounts of weapons. Once we had enough people, we could take small military posts, like national guard outposts in the hopes of apprehending more weapons and ammo, and heavier weapons.

Realize, this is a completely hypothetical situation, and I have no prejudice against my government at the moment. Just go with it.

And I guess I'll use this as my introduction as well. Hello, I'm new and I hope to be a contributor to this wonderful forum.

I would also count on a lot of military and police forces defecting to the "rebel" side. Of course there would be loyalists, but a large portion of government forces would be lost.

Personally, I've always enjoyed the movie 'Deliverance' , thinking that it was good fiction.

Now, I'm not so sure..... [img]graemlins/no.gif[/img]

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Hi Shammy, and welcome to the forums.
Not likely to happen in Britain, since we already have some of the world's tightest firearms regulations and already see frequent gun amnesties which are widely supported by the public. Our Police don't normally carry guns either.
Problem here are illegal firearms, the ranks of which will probably be joined by air rifles soon. There's no such thing as a 'right' to bear arms here.

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Also welcome from The Netherlands. My view is the same as Historian's; And besides that; First of all, most Dutch don't own fire arms asowning them is illegal, just as it is in Engalnd and the rest of Europe. But secondly, if we had guns and would take them with us....where would we go? Holland doesn't have any hills, mountains or forests were they could go and hide and build camp against government forces....We would have to get into Belgium or Germany to find ourselves a "natural" safe haven.....

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Which is precisely why I said that it was a hypothetical situation.

Urban areas can be more to your advantage than open wilderness areas sometimes. You don't have to have hills and wooded places to hide.

Anyway, thanks for the response.

Thank God for the Atlantic Ocean.

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I agree, thank God for the pond.

Later

And thank God for the wall the Yanks are building north of here...

As someone who, one hour ago, has been assaulted by a fuckhead taxi driver and who's not yet over his tremendous anger, I'll say:

Governments (not even democratically-elected ones: the majority principle doesn't work here) have no right at all to tell its citizens what to buy nor what to own... except guns.

Violence causes more violence. Men kill men, with anything they have at hand. Guns are not tools as any other, they're essentialy made to harm and kill. In modern Western civilised societies we gave up the liberty to take justice in our own hands in order to have a greater liberty and a greater justice.

If I had carried a gun an hour ago, I wouldn't be mad, posting here, quietly at home. Now I have to go through the awful experience of turning the other cheek, praying and ask God to forgive the mother f**** for being an imbecile...

I really hate being an anti-gun practicant Christian some times... [img]graemlins/no.gif[/img]

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Honestly I couldn't imagine not being able to use my firearms. I don't know how you fellas over there in the U.K. deal with the strict gun laws. The day that an individual doesn't have the right to own a firearm for sport, hunting, or home defense is the day that I leave this country. All the politicians are worried about gun crimes. If someone really indeed does want to cause harm with a firearm he is going to track one down one way or another. There is no stopping that. Any law banning firearms for civilian use in the U.S. is only going to hassle a lot of honest people who, in American tradtion, just want to shoot.

On another note, does anyone have any information reguarding firearm laws in Germany today?

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Which makes me wonder what on Earth is positive, constructive and humanly worth in using this artifacts which were disigned specifically for harming and killing other people.

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Being honest, you don't miss what you've never had. My crowd all ran about with airguns when we were teenagers, but that was as close as we ever got to a gun-totin' militia! Even then, legally you had to be 16 and under adult supervision to have one, and they had to be carried (unloaded) in a proper cover. Publicly show an uncovered one and you could rely on a cop appearing out of nowhere.

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Regarding gun violence

In Norway most gun violence is done with illegal guns.

The crimes/tragedies with legal guns are people who kill themselves. Two years ago we had 3 incidents where people killed themselves family included. To make matters worse two of the tragedies were done with AG-3 rifles from the Territorials. As a result we now have removed the firing pin and placed them under the Qartermasters control.

As for myself I have plenty guns (never enough though..) I hunt deer and grouse every autumn as we have done since God knows when.

In addition the hunting is a source of income coupled with normal tourism. The deer aren't as big as in central europe, but they are difficult to kill. (any US boys with a Big Horn trophy knows the deal.)

Registerd guns are useless in crime, since the police have the ballistics. In Norway we have strict rules regarding gun cabinets (bolted to the wall and the floor, plus weighing some 800 pounds) If you don't have a cabinet you cannot have a gun.

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