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Manchester Terror Attack

Discussion in 'The Stump' started by GRW, May 22, 2017.

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  1. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    Oh, they do. You can take my word for that.
     
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    USMCPrice Idiot at Large

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    That's a rather rude assumption about someone whose background you know nothing about. The term is also a bit archaic being of WWII usage, so unless you were at the pointy end of the spear in WWII or Korea you probably don't rate using the term in regards to someone else. If you'd been at the pointy end in Vietnam you'd probably use the term REMF, or if you'd been actively engaged in combat during the War's since 9/11 you'd have probably have used the term Fobbit, which you didn't. So can we assume this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black?

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    Wife had a cousin in the SS. Been interested in Nazi minds for a long time.
     
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    Son of a Darby's 1st Ranger Btn volunteer and FSSF forceman here. He was a terrorist. If someone is posting from the front lines I owe them an apology. If you are too far from the rear to salute and to far from the front to get shot, you might be a garritrooper.
     
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    How was he a terrorist?
     
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    Yep. Stabbing your enemy while he sleeps while leaving his mate in the foxhole alive for the terror effect. Leaving a calling card on the body you killed to terrorize the one left to live. Commando's all used terror to intimidate the enemy. Killing the enemy at night while they slept was his CO's favorite way to kill.
     
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    I am presently reading parts of the Koran, I am coming to the conclusion that the problem with it is the same as the bible. And that is they were not written by God or his prophet or his son, but rather they are written by humans. And they state not what God wanted but what the humans wanted. A curse upon organized religions as they are organized by humans.

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    Nice work. Good to have a mind of your own. Sharia Law is completely misrepresented by our NeoFascist propaganda machine too. I'd be all in on any war that was formally declared. But now we must protect the war profiteers at the cost of American lives and a formal declaration would put the people on notice and the profiteers in prison..
     
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    too true Ken...some are give aways, things that are of the times and no longer relevant...
    The biggest reason organised religion began and took hold was not Man's need for meaning, but as a self regulatory mechanism...no police, finger prints, cctv cameras, racing police cars etc etc...in a built up area (new for the times) crime was rampant...people no longer knew everyone in the "village" so could prey on each other without fear of being caught...so a new system of "self regulation" was imposed..."God can see you" - The creation of a Hell and an afterlife are all mechanisms built in to try and make people control their OWN actions...worked pretty bloody well!
    And as the need and greed built, more was included, some for more self regulation some for personal gain from the preacher or the church itself.
    Its true that the poorer an area the more religious in will likely be...people who don't feel in "control" of their lives tend to turn to a "greater power" to give them a feeling of control and safety...the richer someone is, the more control they have over their lives, the less they need God or at least religion...no wonder the Western countries are becoming increasingly agnostic...and the poor countries are still religion ruled. Even in a country like the US you can see the poorer states are more religious than the affluent ones...
     
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    Are you serious? That's how things are done in successfully prosecuting a total war. You should be ashamed of yourself, calling your dad, the Rangers, the Forcemen and any other soldier a terrorist.
     
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    From the very first conflict intimidation, what you term terrorism, has been a integral part of war. The difference between the act in Manchester and troops like Darby's Rangers is that the target is in a war zone, is armed and is fully aware that there are any number of threats out to get them. Tweener girls at a pop concert have no expectation of imminent violence.
     
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    You should look up the meaning.It is what it was. You must be using the term and can only see brown. No, I'm not ashamed at all. I think i was raised right. I won't even go int the execution of prisoners and killing civilians to keep them from compromising an op.Tell me if you think this was terror to intimidate or anger or what. I'll paraphrase from a memoire that I read.

    "As I was leaving the landing craft on D+5 two Rangers were leading a group of German prisoners to the boat to take them to Africa. One of the prisoners started making quite a fuss as he was resisting getting on the boat. That Ranger gave him what he wanted. He pulled out a pistol and shot the prisoner in the head. The other POW's hustled to get aboard."
     
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    Then there is that Dresden carpet fire bombing of civilians thing. And Heroshima. What I am suggesting is that instead of looking at this incident as a racial/religous thing, I look at it as a military op. It helps me to understand the motivation and chain of command. Without that understanding we can not stop the enemy. All of the 9-11 perps were Saudi. Why is that country not a burning ember? Why did the POTUS just kiss their behinds?
     
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    As to the Nazi/Jihad argument. Here's a link to the declaration of Jihad made by Turkey during WW1. Turkey in the First World War - Documents

    Do note however that Turkey declared Jihad against the allies while in a alliance with the predominantly Christian Germans.
     
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    I admit I know very little of Freemasonry. But I've worked for an ex hospital CEO, himself a surgeon and a member of UGLE. From time to time he and his fellow masons went hunting for several days, and when I asked another MD, one of his old friends about what they do while hunting, he told me that they discussed their important issues.

    Later I asked him about talking business on those videos, he, whose fat face was always like Buster Keaton, did a Dracula laugh and said "Oh you green boy, do me a favor and bring me the observation reports"
     
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    As always happens with discussions on terror, this thread is devolving into the moral relativism cesspool. I'm only surprised the Crusades haven't been dragged in as yet, to justify murdering children in Manchester.
     
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    You are trying to redefine the way "terrorism" is used by most people at this time. Efforts by one military to undermine the moral of another military during time of war simply don't fit with the common usage. Dresden was a military target and its bombing was aimed at legitimate military targets. The same is true of Hiroshima.
    IMO your suggestion is not helpful. It is not really a racial thing IMO but relition is one of the most important underlying causes. Along with Corruption, poverty, and totalitarian governments. There is your motivation it's not a military one. As for "chain of command" what currently exists in the terrorist "forces" is complex, fragmented, and mutating on a daily basis. These are not characteristics of a military organization.

    Wrong. Understanding the motivation is helpful certainly as is understanding what chain of command there is. Neither are required though.

    Yeah and we should have nuked McVay's home country as well. OH wait a minute ....

    There is little question that the Nazis had an impact on current Arab and Palestinian thought and relations with respect to the Jews. That doesn't by any means lend much support to your claim that the Nazis "made jihad popular".
     
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    Wow. Just f#ckign wow. The Nazis are responsible for today's jihadi movement? So, it's not the Koran, it's not the Hadith, but the bloody Nazis? A young man of Libyan descent born in Manchester kills a bunch of innocent little girls, and you point to a political movement of the 1930's? This is so incorrect, it's not even wrong.

    You'd have a better argument if you proposed that the decadent Americans living in 1950's Greeley, Colorado, with their jazz, and their lack of open minded barbers were the cause. These are the things that influenced Sayyid Qutb to support and promote jihad.

    Screw you Greeley!! You made bin Laden!!!!!!!1111
     
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