Erich I misread one of your earlier posts. My times are slightly different though. 1.47 Bouxwiller. and 01.57 North Chateau Salins (both in the Lorraine area) and the claims I have 104 and 105, but I suppose one extra claim for such a high amount does not make a big difference. Cheers.

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you know that Dr. Boiten will have his score and times and possible ID of A/C all marked in sequence .....then again ?

Thanks for this Erich, you know I have a weak spot for the Stuttgart missions.

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not to get too Ot but Skipper what do you have for an area of Hauptmann Liedke 2 claims of Stab./NJG 5, 2 Lancasters ? what a nasty night for BC a/c 28/29 July 44.

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I have no confirmed claims for him. Should I have two? If there are they must have been in the Alsace Lorraine area or the Stuutgart suburbs. All NJG5 fighter engaged combat in that zone (Borchers above the target, Lichert, Boy, Resl, Metzger, Drünkler and Hopf all in eastern France)

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interesting yes he had 2 kills I have nothing for Metzger or Borchers at all, nor Lichert or Resl. Boys claim is marked over Stuttgart. 10 claims for NJG 3 personell including the 2 by Lent...looking at other gruppen claims - all over Stuttgart or over portions of France

No surprise here these are claims and some are certainly overclaimed. Besides many of the pilots are "rookies" and claim their first aircraft. it seems like our souces are from two different planets it looks like I'm going to have another headache. If you have confirmed claims I would be interested to read your version. I have these claims from Foreman Matthews and Parry's book.

Uffz Metzer 2/NJG5 ( first claim) Mosquito at Rambervillers 01.25
UFFZ Lichert 2/NJG5 viermot Rambervillers 01.25 (9th claim)
Ogfr Boy 5/NJG5 : Lancaster at Colmar-Breisach. 01.18 (1st claim)
Maj Walter Borchers Stab/NJG5 viermot NW Stuttgart. 01.58 (19th claim)
Uffz Resl 5/NJG5 (first claim) Viermot S. Strasbourg 01.45 (1st claim)
Obstlt Lent viermot near Bouxviller at 01.47 + viermot NR Chateau-salins at 01.57

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no ofrfesne Skipper but Matthews Parrys book has some grave errors including most of the single engine claims-wrong place, wrong time and wrong pilot.

Borchers did not score on this date and it certainly was not his 19th kill either. his 45th was on July 20/21, 44 and he scored 3 kills on the night of August 29/30th for his: 46-48 victories. I say this with certainty as I am doing a very full length bio on this almost stealth personality, in fact his record is not readily accessible nor is he mentioned in many books or internet nf claims listings. I of course find this almost ridiculous as he was Kommodore of NJG 5 a very successful pilot till his death at the hands of a BC Mossie intruder in March of 1945.

No problem Erich , I'm always interested in hearing about other sources too. Besides I like Safaric's list and also use Tony Wood's. Most of all there is a gentleman in Germany who has a huge collection of FB. I noticed on another forum that an other gentleman interested in this list is T.B.
I may ask you a few things about Borchers in the future as in 2006 I have worked on one his Parisians area claims from June 1944 .

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Skipper I am sitting like a duck without water, half my town is out of power due to a severe ice storm which hit so. Oregon with a vengeance for hundreds of miles so ask away. I am doing research under dimmly lit candles in 1945 claims listing I have with generator power...........cool ~

Oh my, remember last time we had this conversation it was me who had the ice and you the rain, now it's the other way round. Don't worry about the claims, fix your electricity first, I can wait. What time do your have for Raht and Fensch for July 28/29th? I have respectively 00.44 raum EJ and 00.45 EG-FG

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I have Raht at 00.45hrs and Fensch is not listed at all. I have spoken with Rahts BF A. Heinemann and all his personals were taken at capture as well as pilot and ace Herbert Rauh who scored this night, he told me two GI's came up to him and said strip, grab his personals and that was that, though he did say he wrote things down immediately and looked through archival notes after war when available, did say so much was lost and of course too many eyars afterward the memory was going

I confirm Raht's claim too. One other burning prey however evaded at the last moment.

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well I know one thing Skip my data still is incomplete, I would really hate to say I have everything correct ?

So you say you have met up with Fensch, what was his unit and did he have claims-kills in 45 ?

E ~ hold on Skipper I see two kills on the night before ........ for his 10th and 11th on July 26/27th, can you confirm these and is this right...10th and 11th. what staffel in NJG 4 was he in please ?

I have unfortunately not have the privilege to meet with the gentleman, ( health ) but had a great correspondence with him.

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He was born on June 13th 1918 at Pyrehne and was died in a flight incident on October 7th 1944 near Paderborn.
He was awarded of Ritterkreuz des Eisernes Kreuz (Knight of the Iron Cross) on August 30th 1941 (he was the 303rd awarded),of Eichenlaub (Oak leaf) on June 6th 1942 (he was the 98th awarded),of Schwerter (Swords) on August 2nd 1943 (he was the 32nd awarded) and Brillanten (Diamonds) on July 31st 1944 (he was the 15th awarded).

Erich I sent you the answers about the other airman on a pm so we can focuss on Lent again. Do you think his July 28/29 th abschüsse were those who made him get Brillanten, or was this decided a long time before?

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Lent, Hemut

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