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Old July 28th, 2003, 04:12 PM
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Hi,

Does anyone know of any pictures/photos of the SAS in World War 2? I'm particularly interested in anything with them wearing camo smocks.

Please post a link here if you have anything.
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Hello hg_uk and thanks for posting your question here. We have one or two members who may be far better qualified than me to attempt an answer.

I don't know of any sites, but there are WWII SAS photos in Philip Warner's book about the SAS published by Wm Kimber in 1978 - altho' not of the uniform you need.

How about it, anyone else...??
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OK thanks... Maybe someone could answer a question. I've seen photos/accounts of WW2 SAS wearing maroon berets, and other accounts have them wearing beige/brown berets. So which is accurate? Or did they swich colours at some point during the war?
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Hello hg, re berets, the British SAS adopted the beige beret, probably associated with their desert origin. Sterling, the founder, first issued his men with white berets. Allegedly they provoked fights with others in bars etc? Hence they were discontinued. Re the badge, a good summary and observations at http://www.belgiansas.com/insignia.htm

Re your picture with sand and red berets, what’s the date and where was it taken? The ‘SAS’ was never a carefully planned battalion. Sterling sold the concept and as a small force to raid enemy planes in the desert. However, also true to say Sterling himself was in No.8 Commando (prior to that in the Guards) which was being disbanded. The prospects for men of No.8 were generally to return to their former regiments or try and join another Commando. Now, whether Sterling really saw this ‘gap opportunity’ in operations, or, wanted to head his own ‘private army’ (of which their were many) is the subject of enduring argument.

The title Special Air Service was not his, it had been around for years. While Churchill liked the title ‘Commando’, some senior officers preferred ‘Special Service’, both titles were used for the same units depending on the author of a document. Hence when some men of No.2 Commando, Britain’s first parachute unit, made their first parachute raid whilst undergoing the transition into the Parachute Regiment, they were given the tile ‘Special 'Air' Service. Ironically, Lt. Col. Dudley Clarke – the man who drew up the blueprint for the Commandos and gave them their name – was out in N.Africa trying to convince the enemy Britain had parachute Commandos training out there. He arranged dummies to be dropped and stories to be ‘leaked’ to agents and enemy POW’s. The fictitious unit he called the SAS. When Sterling had his scheme approved, he was told it would be called the SAS as this would have the enemy thinking Clarke's deception may be true after all!

Sterling was given next to nothing by way of supplies, most of his first supply he stole from the New Zealanders, and initially recruited from former No.8 Commando members and people he knew. Of necessity they also worked closely with the Long Range Desert Group, themselves numbering many Kiwi’s. Early on Sterling took in 50 Free French.

The SAS were reorganised, renamed, brigaded several times as the war went on. At times they worked with or recruited men from Red Beret units such as the Paras. A photo may show men under either circumstances, or, non British SAS wearing their preferred red beret?

As to wearing camo, in the desert they dressed semi-Arab like the LRDG. I would guess any camo would have been as issued towards the end of the war for those involved in northern Europe.

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Another possibility. Early part of 1944 the SAS as a brigade were put under command of the 1st British Airborne. As such they were supposed to wear the red beret. Understandably, as far as the men were concerned they already had a beret, so this change was seldom applied. This command attachment didn’t last long and they reverted back to their own standing.

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Thanks for that explanation! I do remeber the white berets being withdrawn after a confit with the Austrailians or NZ!? Not sure why. I don't recall seeing any photos SAS men actually wearing sand berets....

however at this French SAS site there is a small explaination:

http://souvenirsas.ifrance.com/souve...PgInsignes.htm

On the inside of the sand cap it says 1942, so yeah i think your right. Its origins are probably from the desert campagins. It makes sense. And the red beret is 1944.

another photo:
http://home.hccnet.nl/22.sas/ (apologies for any pop-ups)

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