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Old March 6th, 2006, 03:49 PM
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Was there a plan to overthrow Hitler during the Czech crisis in 1938?

The reason I am asking just watch part two of a Documentary called (Hitler a Profile) part two was called (The Blackmailer) the commentator spoke if Hitler had declared war on Czechoslovakia there was a plot to over throw Hitler is this true?
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I think you'll find this comment interesting Richard
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar.../tr-munich.htm

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Thanks No.9 very interesting read [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Maybe Chamberlain should not have been so eager even if he meant good....?
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Old March 7th, 2006, 09:49 PM
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Chamberlain was dupe shame he was a nice man but he did get something the taste for flying.
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What these and earlier events show is indication of intent, and escalation of force. To reach the Czech situation Hitler had seriously breached many major terms of the Treaty of Versailles, not least exceeding those of military limitations. On occasions thought, he did ask and was given ‘permission’. However, what Hitler said he intended to do and what he subsequently did, differed.

Other actions such as resuming autonomous control of German waterways, where issues which probably could have been achieved by negotiation, for example, on the grounds that this constraint was excessive unless the ongoing message was that Germany was to remain subservient in Europe.

In respect of the Rhinelands, the area was set-up as a Demilitarised Zone between Germany and her western neighbours, but remained German sovereign territory under German administration. When Hitler sent a few soldiers there, IMHO it was seen as no more than making a calculated statement. Domestically to boost the nazis status and Internationally a pointer that Germany was emerging from the Versailles yoke. In no way could it be taken as any beginning of an invasion force, and, it’s a Treaty term that probably could/would have been rescinded through diplomatic discourse.

However, a very clear warning sign as I see it, was that while there was dialogue regarding Germany re-embracing ethnic Germans in current non-German territory, and allegedly restoring citizen rights to them, the development of German military added an ‘or else’ aspect.

But, if Germany had not re-armed and made only diplomatic appeals for the various changes, would she have been taken seriously, what would she have achieved, and how long would it have taken?

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I recall reading that the last president of the Weimar republic had negotiated with the Western powers and succeeded in getting major cuts in payments , maybe also some political backing and removal of restrictions. However this was already too late and Hitler managed to get into power and all these otherwise excellent political victories were totally unnoticed.
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But, if Germany had not re-armed and made only diplomatic appeals for the various changes, would she have been taken seriously, what would she have achieved, and how long would it have taken?

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Some good points there No.9

I can not see how Germany could not rearm herself under Hitler; he wanted war and made that fact clear on more than one occasion. So by rearming Germany he got the results he wanted, negotiation from strength and the threat of hostile action. With out arms I suspect Hitler would have been treated like a crank, and told to clear off, with the possible out come in Germany, of his removable from office.
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Germany also had several "secret" projects going on to keep the army in some kinda progress even before Hitler.

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http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0841146.html
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Another useful bit of info, nice one Kai.
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”with the possible outcome in Germany, of his removable from office.”

I would doubt this as aside from the military resurrection and posturing, Hitler did a lot to restore and develop the civic State and improve standards for the people – except for the disfavoured of course.

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A useful timeline for naval re-armament.

http://www.naval-history.net/WW2CampaignPreWar.htm

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Good read that link No.9 and the info will be useful friend of mind is up to WW1. He is reading up on the Dreadnoughts, and the Political situation of the time, the arms race on the sea. I shall let him know of the link, He will like that when he gets passed WW1 so it's a double thanks. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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