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Old October 29th, 2006, 01:33 PM
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I Love it Ali, it gives me "Goose Bumps". When I first read about it, I didn't/couldn't believe it, but it's all true. Outstanding!
Love the pictures too Skip, The mighty Wehrmacht as "House Pets".
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Default Re: Largest mass surrender in the west?

The Mons pocket probablly exceeded the Elster column by 50,000 men. The source I recall placed some 70,000 Germans trapped there by the US First Army. But I am unsure if there was a formal surrender document. The Mons pocket did not comprise a organized group, but rather a aggregation of fragmented battle groups & support columns that converged on Mons. the several generals trapped there Wasted little time in surrendering.

In theory the German group in the Mons pocket had the ability to hold for a week or two & attack east to breakout. But, morale was different than on the Russian Front, and as with the Elster column Allied air strikes were making things 'difficult'.
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Found this on the Mons pocket. Actually surprised the Germans had troops that could surrender...

To the north, advancing on the flank of 21 Army Group, Hodges' First Army was encountering more, but still relatively unsubstantial, opposition. When the Normandy front had collapsed in late July, Hitler had realized that he might need to make a stand between the Seine and the German frontier, and he had, accordingly, ordered the construction of field works along the Somme and Marne Rivers. By the time the jumbled remnants of his western armies reached the Somme line in late August, however, they were too exhausted, disorganized, and demoralized to hold the position. First Army soon cracked the defenses, forcing the Germans to withdraw to the West Wall, a system of fortifications along the German border. As fragments of German formations passed across First Army's front, Bradley saw a chance to cut off their retreat, and he ordered Hodges to turn his direction of advance from northeast to north. Near Mons, in a pocket formed by its three corps, First Army bagged 25,000 prisoners, demolishing what little remained of the German Seventh Army. The coup at Mons cleared the way to the West Wall, and a jubilant Hodges told his staff on 6 September that, with ten more days of good weather, the war would be over.

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If we count the Germans taken at Falasie POCKET, THEN THE NUMBER CAPTURE OR SURRENDERING AFTER dUNKIRK SHOULD BE NOTED...sorry cap lock...
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In accordance with military principle where priority is given to men over arms, the Allies left behind 2,000 guns, 60,000 trucks, 76,000 tons of ammunition and 600,000 tons of fuel supplies.
  • 10,252 Belgian soldiers lost
  • 42,000 wounded
  • 8,467 missing
  • ***1,212,000 Dutch, Belgian, French and British prisoners taken*****
  • 30,000 British died
  • 338,226 men saved in the evacuation
The Germans gained:
  • 1,200 field guns
  • 1,250 anti-aircraft guns
  • 11,000 machine guns
  • 25,000 vehicles
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Sorry bf109 emil,

but aren´t those figures for Dunkirk 1940 what the Allied lost and the Germans gained? I am sure you got the right figures somewhere close.
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