Perhaps he's a rational, mature adult who knows that there is no such thing as "free" anything - ultimately, someone is paying for it. Those who think things are "free" tend to be freeloaders.

For instance, Europe's "free" healthcare is paid for by its taxpayers. And their budgets "free" up much of the money from what would go for defense spending, which can be extremely low because of what is effectively U.S. taxpayer-subsidized European defense via our European bases and treaty obligations.

Thankfully, the majority of our legal immigrants tend to be independent, hardworking people who make positive contributions to our country, and whose tax dollars and charitable contributions will help the less fortunate minority who physical or mental handicaps make it absolutely necessary for them to be dependent upon others.

You're happy with your system and it gibes with your value system. Good for you. Just don't take unwarranted attitudes of moral superiority over it.

Let's steer this thread back to somewhere near it's original topic, please.

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Don't get me wrong I am not criticising social progress, nor am I puting Stalinism and socialism in the same basket, or calling modern socialists facists. I was just pointig out why Communism could not be achieved and why Trotsky had chosen another path. (Sorry if I made myself misunderstood).
We are actually talking about two different concepts. I mentionned Soviet Socialism tending towards Communism. You are talking about Socialism like it is defined in our modern democracies. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I was also drawing a parallel between communism ans fascism and emphasize the fact that both Nazism and Communism tried to smother religion. (getting the topic on track again)

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The value system within the society I live in is where people believe that their tax contributions not only benefit themselves but also they neighbours whether they are immigrants or not. It's called socially cohesive governance and by and large it's considered by most political partys and different European countries to be a template for social success.

I'm not saying it's not without it's problems neither am I saying that from time to time it's not in need close public scrutiny,however, thats democracy as we know it.

As far as our defence budget, well I think by and large it's not an issue here even with Conservatives. Thats despite the UK's moral and politcal interjection in allowing US Neo Cons to start an Imperial Crusade against a country, that until Allied Military intervention, had absolutey nothing to do with Al-Qaeda.

A War that my country has lost a Prime Minister too. On personal note own cousin has fought in and a colleagues son has lost his ability to assimulate in regular civilian life.

I guess I will politely refer to the tragic episode as a great friend standing with his only reliable friend even when he knows they are wrong. Such is the bond and gratiude of debt Britain has toward the US since of WWII.

However, I believe the UK has payed it's price and good friends can only remain good friends when they can be honest and forthright with each other.

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Point taken.

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Now we are talking. I drink to that one.

Regarding Christians, there was a gap between the official trend and facts. Religion is everywhere. crosses on graves (even E.Ks) but especially the tradition of deathcards, which had a curiculum on one side and a religious psalm or icone (or both on the other) . Besides several versions of the cross could be chosen at the printers going from the chisrtian cross to the the iron cross with or without a small swastika inside. For those interested there is a special "deathcard thread" with many examples.

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in regards to d. cards Skip I think we can agree that many W-SS Landsers cards do not have a cross but the broken nordic symbolism instead, keeping it highly a non-Christian attitude. A question was brought up about padres following along in the footsteps of ground troops which is true in the army, Luftwaffe ground truppen and the Kriegsmarine.......I do not think they existed amongst the W-SS ranks ?

This drives towards two challenges:

1° does anyone have a deathcard from an ss soldier with a regular Christian cross?

2° does any one have pics of a padre with ss soldiers. I have pictures of a fleld mass for Heer and Luft, but no SS troops.

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to answer well sort of Skipper on the back of some W-SS cards is just Maria holding Christ or just her but not really showing a cross

What's a matter the rantings of subsidized idealists bothering you, careful they'll want more of your money to pay for their socialistic/communist whims

Although their actions from 1917 onward caused a definite reactive movement and provided fuel for fascism. But one has to ask, was life under Victoria's children so bad compared to the death and destruction that followed? Christianity wasn't strong enough to prevent cousins from going to war.

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Nemo me impune lacessit

Beg your pardon?

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I admit I'm lost too ?

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Haha! So there are Christian roots even among the agnostics! Thanks Erich I will try to find more clues among my death cards

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No one has yet mentioned Edmontons Womens Ice Hockey-Nazi connection.





Edmonton Archives, Alberta, Canada

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No way! You must be kidding ! I'm sure they used the swastika as the Indian chance symbol not as a Nazi symbol, or did they?

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Fellow world citizens, there is an Irish world terror axis of evil that has to be fought against, that's why Halliburton and Boieng need more of your money, and that's why my agents are reading your mail and listening your phone.

We have just discovered the tight links between the Irish World Terrorists and Wales, therefore we are going to strike the evil empire of terrorists in its heart by a full size invasion of Wales.

And you know what ? Wales also has a secret weapon of mass destruction program underway, Mr Powell will show you the pictures on Google Earth.

It's time to stand up against Wales, for our right to suck in peace CO2 right out of our 4x4 trucks exhausts !

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Here you go guys! i had to check many cards before I founs one but I think I got something nice. Here is a death card of an SS Grenadier who had obviously a Christian background.

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Ceilliau

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Gentlemen please stop this sterile argument and get back to the topic. If nobody is interested in the real subject just tell me, this will save time for me to do others things instead of researching things to keep this topic going. I thought it was interesting but maybe I'm wrong.

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Skipper, you mind reader.

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