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March 9th, 2008, 01:28 PM
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Luftwaffe and Orel salient 1943
I saw a document on Luftwaffe during the aftermath of Zitadelle, and it said Luftwaffe stopped the Red Army from surrounding Model´s Ninth Army and creating another Stalingrad. Model, according to the document, thanked Luftwaffe for saving his Army.
I was wondering if anyone knew a book or a document on the Luftwaffe actions in the northern section of Kursk area July-Aug 1943? How true is this on Luftwaffe´s part? Thanx for any info!
Also:
Operation Kutuzov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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March 9th, 2008, 04:07 PM
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Re: Luftwaffe and Orel salient 1943
Kai I point you to Christers work on the Air war over the Ost front.
there is so scant info on any of the air battles except for individual unit histories. Note this is just listing for the dates in 1942 up to Novembers end for volume 3. volume 4 most likely early 43 for that volume so maybe volume 5 would cover it well enough. he mentions on the page up to 8 volumes and it will most likely be the most complete and conclusive volumes written so far when the two men finish the multi-volume set. I am looking forward to volume 5 onward personally..........so we will have to wait I think
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March 10th, 2008, 08:16 AM
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Re: Luftwaffe and Orel salient 1943
OK!
thanx alot Erich!
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April 6th, 2008, 06:47 PM
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Re: Luftwaffe and Orel salient 1943
Well, this looks like some Germanic back-slapping as per what I know of Op. Kutuzov the intent was not specifically to encircle and capture a large formation such as 9th Army, rather launch a conter-offensive to help relieve pressure on the Southern face of Kursk battle (northen one was stalled already) and go after significant geographical objectives, first one being a line Orel-Kirov.
This was very difficult for the Red Army as the German salient north of the Russian salient (look at a map  ) had been static for quite a while and there had been plenty of time to fortify 9th Army and 2nd Pz Army fronts.
Saying the LW saved Heer's posterior is at least an exaggeration.
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April 7th, 2008, 12:34 AM
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Re: Luftwaffe and Orel salient 1943
Za a matter of persepctive this is why I mentioned C. Bergströms many volumes in league with a very good Russian writer, their volumes are concrete and in excellent format to follow along what happened to both sides on the Ost front. It will be balanced when he releases the volumes covering this important time line
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April 7th, 2008, 09:51 PM
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Re: Luftwaffe and Orel salient 1943
Thank you very much, Erich, I will be interested of course.
In any case, Op Kutuzov was a 3-Front affair (Western, Bryansk and Central Fronts), involving hundreds of thousands of ground troops (I don't have my library handy so I can't give a proper figure  ) but in any case the LW would be hard put to stop this soldiery by itself.
By the way, an interesting thesis: http://etd.lsu.edu/docs/available/et...lug_thesis.pdf
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