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Old April 14th, 2009, 05:58 PM
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people have been telling me that the school answer is okinawa some say iwo jima and my personal opinion is guadacanal
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Welcome Aboard!

I can appreciate your confusion please take a moment and explain your position. It is also helpful if you cite sources.

I look forward to hearing your opinion
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There are several ways to look at the question also. For example, most casualties incurred as opposed to total amount of troops involved, smaller actions with higher percentages of casualties, smaller actions within the theatre of operations, etc.

Yes, the question should be fleshed out a bit more so a definite answer can be given.
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Bloodiest as in number of total casualties, or deadliest?
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people have been telling me that the school answer is okinawa some say iwo jima and my personal opinion is guadacanal

Okinawa.....for severity,....and time endurance cycle.
In the case of the USN, some 90% [net ref] of destroyers in and around
Okinawa were either damaged of sunk.
Many.....putting into the Kerama Retto for supplies and re arm would see
the twisted and charred hulks of former sisters in combat in the anchorage,
these ships knew via TBS and other communications that their sister cans
were getting mauled by Kamikaze attack,
some saw them being towed by as they moved to new stations such as RP
[radar picket] or pingline [antisub]....or screening movement tasking.
many cans watched their sisters and DE's come apart from secondary
explosions as internal ammo stores or boilers let go....sending ships
superstructure up into the air hundeds of feet.
smaller assigned ships to RP and ping line[known as pall bearers]
had to fight themselves,...in some instances ,their anti air fire saved
some
damaged cans from the final death blow as the last Kamikazes/Kamikaze
was shotdown/driven off.
Kerama anchorage TBS circuit name was /Wisemans cove/
USN Bluejackets in dark humor called it wisemans junkyard.
[excerpt : The final campaign]
Tenth Army operations ashore was the sinking on 6 April of the
ammunition ships /Logan Victory/ and /Hobbs Victory./ The subsequent
shortage of 105mm and 155mm artillery ammunition delayed General
Buckner's first great offensive against the outer Shuri defenses by
about three days. In all respects, the Fifth Fleet deserved its media
sobriquet as "The Fleet That Came to Stay." But as April dragged into
May, and the Tenth Army seemed bogged down in unimaginative frontal
attacks along the Shuri line, Admirals Spruance and Turner began to
press General Buckner to accelerate his tactics in order to decrease the
vulnerability of the fleet. Admiral Nimitz, quite concerned, flew to
Okinawa to counsel Buckner. "I'm losing a ship and a half each day out
here," Nimitz said, "You've got to get this thing moving." [ex end]

The above is a small kodak of the Navy's part at Okinawa,
further posting would reveal more defined facts concerning US Army,
Naval aircap....Naval air ground attack.

then there is the Japanese accounts.
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Yes, and Okinawa was probably their bloodiest battle of the Pacific. I have read that their losses were in the neighborhood of 5,000+ KIA's, and for awhile, their losses exceeded the army and marines ashore.
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Default Re: bloodiest battle of the pacific?

I would also say Okinawa.
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yup me too okinawa
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I think the reason Okinawa does not garner as much attention as Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Saipan or Iwo Jima is because it took place so late in the war. Okinawa was the last stepping stone to Tokyo, it was a meat grinder.
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I have been thinking about this for a few days now, and wondering just how to respond. I finally remembered something Jack said about a year ago about a similer discussion and thought it relevent.

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I just read another thread which was concerning Iwo Jima, I was going to reply because it was troubling to me, however I would rather speak my piece here with those of you I have met. The topic if I read it correctly, concerned which battle was bloodier, which one had the higher casualty numbers, it leaves me speechless to consider how some can think a terrible and vicious fight for an Island could be rated as if one could take second place to another. It was not an event, contest, or a game. It took place for me from 1941-1945, and it wasn't getting better, or any easier toward the end, it was getting worse, for those who size things up in the world of statistics.

Most men I knew, would seldom if ever speak the location names after a fight when it came to the worst of them.

I listened to a conversation in the market the other day about how the marines in the Pacific lost 27 out of 100 men compared to the Army's 24 or 26 out of a hundred, he couldn't remember which. Just silent faceless numbers in the past, which is unfortunate.

If you go ashore with 34 men, and there are 5 of you left three days later at Biak for example, or 19 men at Los Negros with three of us alive the next dawn, none of those overall numbers line up for me.

Well, had to get that off my chest, sorry to go on about it, thank you all.
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I have been thinking about this for a few days now, and wondering just how to respond. I finally remembered something Jack said about a year ago about a similer discussion and thought it relevent.

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Hello Fellas,

I just read another thread which was concerning Iwo Jima, I was going to reply because it was troubling to me, however I would rather speak my piece here with those of you I have met. The topic if I read it correctly, concerned which battle was bloodier, which one had the higher casualty numbers, it leaves me speechless to consider how some can think a terrible and vicious fight for an Island could be rated as if one could take second place to another. It was not an event, contest, or a game. It took place for me from 1941-1945, and it wasn't getting better, or any easier toward the end, it was getting worse, for those who size things up in the world of statistics.

Most men I knew, would seldom if ever speak the location names after a fight when it came to the worst of them.

I listened to a conversation in the market the other day about how the marines in the Pacific lost 27 out of 100 men compared to the Army's 24 or 26 out of a hundred, he couldn't remember which. Just silent faceless numbers in the past, which is unfortunate.

If you go ashore with 34 men, and there are 5 of you left three days later at Biak for example, or 19 men at Los Negros with three of us alive the next dawn, none of those overall numbers line up for me.

Well, had to get that off my chest, sorry to go on about it, thank you all.
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