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Old January 6th, 2008, 05:26 PM
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The use of it is High Explosive! Nahkampf mittel.
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Old January 6th, 2008, 05:28 PM
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Note: They can only be fired with a flarepistol that has been rebuild, you can see that on the "Z" on the side of the pistol.
What exactly has to be rebuild for firing this kind of ammo is not know to me.
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Skipper the inside of the barrel is grooved in the same way as the picture of the later marked Flare pistol one I am seriously looking at but the cost is almost prohibitive, as you said these are not easy to come by : especially the Z Kampfpistol. used different flares-flare-grenades, there are several different types that could be even used for knocking out recon light vehicles like jeeps. as the case of Nicks well preserved example with the grooves the round spun in like fashion. I've got a ton of info hidden amongst all then files.........
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Old January 6th, 2008, 05:51 PM
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nice simplistic article here :

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Really interesting. Maybe someone will know which part has to be changed. I could be the ignition, but I wouldn't know for sure.
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Wow! That really is a great find! That seems pretty rare huh! I'll bet you'll be back ther looking for more great stuff eh Nick?!
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Old January 6th, 2008, 08:24 PM
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Allready bin there, for more than 3 years in that area... much ammunition...
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Old January 6th, 2008, 08:33 PM
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oh man!
I may have to change my plans and fly over earlier just to get at those great sites! keep them coming!!
btw is there an english version of your webpage?
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Old January 6th, 2008, 08:52 PM
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No sorry, my webpage is in Dutch, its a forum just like this but than in Dutch and over dug-up relics.
You're invited to come, on that area I almost found only ammunition, German, Dutch, French, Brittish, US and even Russian ammunition! I also found some remains of German concrete bombs they just lay on the surface. Even a piece who has some of the bleu paint on it, it just layed there on the walkingpath! ...... As still today.



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Old January 6th, 2008, 09:00 PM
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Another "bomb-find" at first I didn't reconized it but after almost a year I looked at a drawning and a bell starts to ring! Its the suspension lug of many types of airbombs, it has some green paint on it either.
Nothing special, but still a rare find.



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That is a great find. I have a big part of an Me-109 at home, (the oval part under the cocpit that rivets the two wings together). It used to have two similar supension lugs on both sides. On of them is still on it. This would allow the BergungKommandos and ground crew to lift the whole aircraft with a tripod crane.
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Old January 9th, 2008, 11:19 PM
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Here a huge find done last year.
A large dumphole full with Brittish ammunition. All reported to the right authoryties.
The 20 mm Hispano Suiza 404 rounds, Armor Piercing and High Explosive for fighterplaines and 2 boxes full of .303 Brittish rounds. Armor Piercing (headstamp WI) and Incendiary (headstamp BVIIZ).

Totally at least 50x 20 mm rounds and about 1000+ .303 rounds.
In very good condition.... but illegal and dangerous!!!
















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Oh my you could have started a siege with that amno. You did the right thing by reporting these. The find is quite important. I am glad you took pictures, at least this will leave you a souvenir.
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That's ok about the Dutch, Nick, I need to learn it anyway, I'm thinking about buying the Rosetta Stone course!
Anyway, whatever happened to the ammo? Do the authorities just dispose of it?
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Old January 10th, 2008, 07:05 PM
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I think so...
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Old January 10th, 2008, 07:38 PM
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bummer!
i mean i know they could blow, but it just doesn't seem right!
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Old January 10th, 2008, 07:52 PM
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We share the same thoughts...
I just can't permit to take any of this stuff to home.
In the past I had many trouble with the authorities regarding my hobby.
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Let me guess you got busted with your metal detector and had to answer a few embarassing questions.
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Old January 10th, 2008, 08:08 PM
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More like 7 to 10 cops knockin' on my door and taking me with them for a nice long night in prison.

Feind hört mit! Trust nobody, my advice.
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my gosh Nick you and your friend(s) are a brave lot digging up that ammo,,,,,,,,,,arg that is nothing but creepy with all that live feed under ground.

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Old January 10th, 2008, 11:17 PM
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Well its not THAT dangerous, but the message is allways be carefull with digging!
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Old January 11th, 2008, 06:13 AM
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