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February 18th, 2008, 08:16 AM
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Re: Fliegerhorst Gilze-Rijen. Archaeology & Research.
Nice ! The bills are in fairly good condition, considering they survived a crash! I have a few identical bills too. I will post them (in colour) , still have to scan them. Interesting that one guy made part of his captivity in Belgium, that didn't happen evey day.
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February 18th, 2008, 06:50 PM
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Re: Fliegerhorst Gilze-Rijen. Archaeology & Research.
Nice pictures, i will follow your findings.
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February 18th, 2008, 07:41 PM
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Hey!!!
i finally caught up with all the pics and stuff posted here, great stuff guys!! keep 'em coming!
thanks!!
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February 28th, 2008, 11:01 PM
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What do you guys find of this?
Last sunday I visit the former Funkstelle Bisam near Strijbeek with a friend of mine, in the region of Gilze-Rijen. Here we found some remains of a Würzberg radarstelle, totally overgrown. After removing the bushes and dirt you could clearly see the remains of the German radar, and we both known there still were some markings visible on some of the bricks, and we found it! You can hardly read the following text on te side: NACHTABSCHUSS HALIFAX (blue/red circle from a Brittish airplane logo) and like this 4 on a row. Also with the markings: NACHTABSCHUSS WELLINGTON.
Very impressive to see.
I am soon making an article of it. So this subject will be updated.

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February 29th, 2008, 05:31 AM
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Absolutely awesome. I can't believe you still read this after over 60 years!
I read many more kills on this stone. I see at least three or for Halifaxes ,they were probably more below but the stone is broken.
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February 29th, 2008, 11:02 AM
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4 kills thats for sure.
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February 29th, 2008, 03:45 PM
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Great Find, good story!
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March 1st, 2008, 06:32 AM
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Probably much more, it think this is the lower part of a stone. I can't imagine a soldier painting on his hands and knees whereas he would have plenty of space while standing. The problem is that the concrete looks torn by an explosion and I suspect the other part to be either quite far away or buried . If they are buried the paint may be gone for ever.
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March 1st, 2008, 08:34 AM
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I fear the last one.....
But... we also have found something in the woods, which we are digging up the comming weeks. Keep in touch.
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March 1st, 2008, 08:47 AM
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More details : Wellingtons were mostly used up to 1942-1943, Halifaxes mostly 1943 and later ,
this means your inscritions could be from 1942, 1943 and all the later kills are missing .
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March 1st, 2008, 09:10 AM
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Funkstelle Bisam was build in March 1942, so thats correct.
Here a previeuw of the other "thing".
Not sure what it is yet, what kind of type of building?...Some kind of a material "hangar", used for ammunition and weapons etc. We have an old map that shows us something like that was build there on that location. If you look at some findings we found there. Like many Belgian 7,65 mm cartridges and the lid of a MG ammunition box, its very possible.
We are going to dig the thing out.

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March 1st, 2008, 09:41 AM
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The concrete with the 'Nachtabschuss' marking is an incredible and historic 'find' - an amazing relic of the night airwar..... 
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March 1st, 2008, 08:18 PM
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Isn't it possible to salvage the funkstelle concrete? The block should fit in a small trailer or maybe a wheel barrow?
The metal part could be part of a hinge of a massive door. Not sure though, just a thought.
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What a great find!! looking forward to seeing what the "new" find is!!!
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March 3rd, 2008, 01:43 PM
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I had to work yesterday, but in the early morning (still dark) we went out to dig for a few hours. We want to discover the entire concrete, but that can take a while.
We didn't find something special this day, just more and more 7,65 mm cartridges, but we had a good time.
Here some pictures, while my friend and his son are digging.

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March 3rd, 2008, 02:14 PM
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Excellent, I can't believe you have the courage to go there all the time . You can't find treasures every day, so the fun of diging is your reward too.
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March 3rd, 2008, 02:57 PM
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Re: Fliegerhorst Gilze-Rijen. Archaeology & Research.
nice keep trying to find some nice stuff
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March 3rd, 2008, 04:18 PM
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Whooo, what a devotion!
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March 3rd, 2008, 08:12 PM
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Indeed, quite a lot of work.
After we where done with searching I went straight to work...
Its pleasant to see that the son of my friend is very motivated, actually he works harder than us. Reminds me a lot of myself when I started.
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March 4th, 2008, 07:57 PM
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Re: Fliegerhorst Gilze-Rijen. Archaeology & Research.
German ELAZ bombfuze, found near Rijen.
I also have the bakelite container for the fuze (not a dug-up).
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March 4th, 2008, 10:28 PM
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Nick great work on the cleanup and what a neat prize to have with the Bakelite container............super !
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March 5th, 2008, 06:17 AM
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Wonderful. It's the first time I see a close up.
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