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I have never been out and out ripped off, but occasionally I get something not quite as it was advertised. I ordered a lot of 10 or so Stalhelms advertised as scratch and dents for $30 or $35. They were advertised as German helmets. What I got were Spanish helmets with the emblems knocked off the front, probably with a hammer. Broken off pins still in the holes. But they were worth about what I paid for them, just not the deal I thought it was
Another good one is unscrupulous dealers peddling repainted Norwegian helmets as Japanese. They are very close, the liner and chin straps are very different though. A neat helmet to look for, is a post war Czech helmet. They used German M40 and M42 Stalhelms, except they tapped holes in the front and installed usually a lionhead or rarely a chalice emblem. These arent huge collectors items, but interesting. Polish Adrienne helmets fit in this category. They are identical to the French helmets except they are darker blue, almost black, many or most with an eagle decal painted on the front.
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October 18th, 2001, 06:47 PM
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Some good news though. The Chilean Army wears EXACT copies of the German M-35--down to the type of liner, spanner bolts etc. These are supposedly made on ther same machines the German M-35s were made on. I cant wait to get my hands on some of those. You could repaint them, decal them and sell them (Of course as repos only) and probably get $100.00 $150.00 each, for an investment of less than $30.00.
Now if I could only just find a source....
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October 19th, 2001, 12:24 AM
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The same could be done with Spanish or Hungarian helmets. Would require using some body filler on the pinholes in the Spanish helmet, and knocking the handle off the back of the Hungarian. But, after figuring out all the costs and time involved it would probably work out to less than minimum wage.
The Chinese also used the M35. Both the Chinese and Chilean helmets are pretty rare, at least in the States, but they are cheap. The Chinese also operated sdkfz 220 series armored cars, and manufactured K98's, broomhandled Mausers, and potato masher grenades. I have several pics of Nationalist Chinese troops in full German gear(except some are wearing sandals) riding in German armored cars and trucks.
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October 19th, 2001, 02:03 AM
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I saw a picture of what I thought were japanese troops wearing what looked like m35 helmuts. Are they chinese troops then?
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October 19th, 2001, 03:00 AM
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Probably, if the pics were taken in Asia. Germany was one of the Nationalist's main arms supplier's. The Chinese bought only a couple of batches of helmets, probably only about 50,000 were issued throughout the late 30's. In the '40's the Nationalists started receiving US helmets and started issuing US Brody's and M1 pots throughout the war. Several units were still using M35 Stalhelms in 1949 though.
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October 19th, 2001, 03:17 AM
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Yep I knew. I have some newsreel footage somewhere showing chineese AA crews firing at Jap bombers. Then there other footage with chineese using German equipment, but I forget what I saw.
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I am no expert on german helmuts, but I am going crazy  trying to find one for my german impression. Every shell I find is over $200. Also someone brought up to me about trading my japanese nambu pistol with original holder and belt for a helmut shell. I know nambu's are a piece of crap, but I'm not sure if its a good deal. I'm thinking if the guy throws in a gas mask canister or a canteen or something else, it might be worth it. What does anyone else think about this because I'm in the dark and have no clue if this is a good deal or I'm just being an idiot.
Also does anyone know which size shell I should get, I wear a size 59 m43 soft cap. I'm not really sure.
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November 23rd, 2001, 05:12 AM
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You might be able to get by with a 66, but it sounds like you need a 68. Liner's use cap sizes and the liner for a 68 is a size 58/59 or 59/60.
Bad thing is, 68's are the most sought after size, thus they are the most expensive and hardest to find.
A banged up, linerless shell, size 68 should sell for around $75. A pristine, perfect repro with the whole 9 yards, historical manufacturer ink stamps and everything shouldnt cost more than $250. As I said in an earlier post be wary of "genuine" helmets and dont purchase one unless it comes with superb documentation.
If you want I will keep a look out.
I dont want to part with any of my 68's because they took so long to find
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November 23rd, 2001, 07:18 AM
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The Nambu pistol and gear for stalhelm is a bad deal. At a gun show, the right collector will pay well over $200 for you pistol and gear, while the helmet is most likely worth less than $100.
I have a repro liner and pins for sale if you need them, plus a friend of mine has a postwar German police helmet. It is identical to a WWII helmet except it lacks air vents, and the liner(which is plastic with nylon pads) doesnt use pins. The exterior is completely smooth, and its made of thinner material. Mike paid $40 or $50 bucks a piece for 3 or 4 several months ago, and I think he still has two that he painted and added some decals to. I will call him if you are interested.
I believe he got them through the Shotgun news or a Military History magazine ad.
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November 23rd, 2001, 10:10 PM
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Everywhere I go, I find the german helmets to be around $250. I have never seen a shell that is under a $100. It seems impossible to find one that cheap. I'm still not sure about the deal, because for me right now I have to spend over $300 for a shell and a gas mask canister.
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I hear you. I have a '43 3 color camo helmet, size 68, and authentic gas mask cannister with gas mask, filter, extra lenses, and carry strap. I would be unwilling to part with both for less than $400.
Try Ebay, Im tellin' you there are deals there.
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November 24th, 2001, 07:51 PM
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Good stuff Tally, and you can also find German Helmet shells and THE complete helmets on www.ebay.de Go to the Sammeln and Seltines section--then Militaria and wallah--your there. You can get everything much much cheaper on ebay.de.
Helmet shells usually only go from about $50.00-to-about $85.00. You can find them all day on ebay and ebay.de. Anything over $100.00 for a shell, is insane.
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November 29th, 2001, 03:44 AM
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I finally have a helmet (time to break out the champagne). I when to a military store and got myself a size 66 helmet with its liner in good shape for around $125. I'm in such a good mood about it right now, because ever since I was 10 I wanted a german helmet because they looked "cool". All the advice and help I got from everyone paided off and I just wanna say thanks.
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I finally have a helmet (time to break out the champagne). I when to a military store and got myself a size 66 helmet with its liner in good shape for around $125. I'm in such a good mood about it right now, because ever since I was 10 I wanted a german helmet because they looked "cool". All the advice and help I got from everyone paided off and I just wanna say thanks.
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Thats cool, send Otto a photo of it and se if will post it here--possibly make another icon of a German helmet--would look like the Grossdeutschland Division symbol.
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December 1st, 2001, 04:11 AM
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No problem I'll just have to pull my camera out of the closet and clean off alot of dust.
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That would be cool, and send it to Otto.
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December 6th, 2001, 08:00 PM
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Apparently very few things have changed in our army. We still have the same helmet and cap sizes, and if you want a modern German army helmet, yes, 68 will be hard to find!
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