The defeated American Fleet under Benedict Arnold, off Crown Point in Lake Champlain, New York, 1776.

Several loyalist American ships head to Canadian ports in 1783.

A romanticized version of the unsuccessful 1775-1776 winter assault on Québec City by American forces under General Richard Montgomery, who died at the approaches to Lower Town.

General Lord Cornwallis' surrender at Yorktown, Virginia, 1781.


Last British troops leaving New York, 1783.

[ 28. May 2003, 09:22 PM: Message edited by: General der Infanterie Friedrich H ]

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"War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." - Jean Dutourd, French veteran of both world wars

"A mon fils: depuis que tes yeux sont fermes les miens n’ont cessé de pleurir." - Mère française, Verdun

Good stuff, I have not ever seens these paintings and drawings(woodcut artwork) before.

I'm going to try to get scans made of my Harpers Weekly pages that I have that are from 1870, 1870, 1870, 1870, and 1880 respectively. They are all scenes of Imperial German Royalty, and battle scenes and of an officers gathering in the field. They are really great looking, and believe it or not--they are also affordable for anyone who wishes to buy them. I got some as low as $6.00 a piece about a year or so ago. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Lost are only those, who abandon themselves) Hans-Ulrich Rudel.

I really need to read up on some Revolutionary War history. Then again I need to read up alot on history this summer lol. Unfortunately with the new tax laws I'm going to be reading the same legal jargon for another summer.

Greg

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-General Winfield Scott Hancock at Gettysburg, July 3, 1863

Sorry Fried. but i dont think Arnold was ever in command of naval forces..

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Actually--he wasn't. He was in charge of the fortress--West Point. This is when he was promoted to Brigadier General by: The Congress and George Washington and this is where Benedict Arnold was stationed at and where he turned traitor by trying to sell the plans to West Point to British Major John Andre--who in turn was caught by American Soldiers and he was arrested, imprisoned and then was hung by the neck untill dead. I think the hanging party was led by John Paul Jones--not sure.

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Lost are only those, who abandon themselves) Hans-Ulrich Rudel.

Well, that was what the painting said. And I, as someone who doesn't study that war too much didn't realise about that error, but thank you.

I do not study this war because the good ones lost... [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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"War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." - Jean Dutourd, French veteran of both world wars

"A mon fils: depuis que tes yeux sont fermes les miens n’ont cessé de pleurir." - Mère française, Verdun

And you have to remember that I only know this because of the topic I started on Remembering American Heroes. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Lost are only those, who abandon themselves) Hans-Ulrich Rudel.

The Good ones lost?

The American Revolution was not the most important war to America's survival, (not debate the Civil War) but the war of 1812 was America's most important war against a European Power.

We Maintained our borders against a direct assault on three sides. (4 if you count the internal Indian Struggle)

If you wish, I will post my report on Andrew Jackson, which documents his role in the war of 1812.

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"F" is kidding--he knows better--right "F?"

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Lost are only those, who abandon themselves) Hans-Ulrich Rudel.

And I of course like studying 1812 war because there was were the bad ones [img]tongue.gif[/img] were losing and had their capital occupied... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

(I like being such a pain in the ass...)

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"War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." - Jean Dutourd, French veteran of both world wars

"A mon fils: depuis que tes yeux sont fermes les miens n’ont cessé de pleurir." - Mère française, Verdun

Don't forget that "we' occupied Vera Cruz and Mexico City during the war with Mexico.

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Lost are only those, who abandon themselves) Hans-Ulrich Rudel.

Carl, I don't care, I am not Mexican... yet...

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"War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." - Jean Dutourd, French veteran of both world wars

"A mon fils: depuis que tes yeux sont fermes les miens n’ont cessé de pleurir." - Mère française, Verdun

No/ how about french? [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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Lost are only those, who abandon themselves) Hans-Ulrich Rudel.

I am half French and VERY proud for it. Even if France has had its capital occupied several times they were the only ones in History to occupy Russia's capital...

And it was the French fleet the one which prevented the British fleet to reinforce lord Cornwallis at Yorktown. Would there be an USA without the French? [...] (I refuse to use the new rolleyes graemlin. It's very ugly).

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"War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." - Jean Dutourd, French veteran of both world wars

"A mon fils: depuis que tes yeux sont fermes les miens n’ont cessé de pleurir." - Mère française, Verdun

Nope, The Poles did in the 1500's.

The Question is: 'Would there be a free france without USA?

Nope, I wonder where you got the idea for your revolution.....


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In that case the French entered in nearly every capital of Europe except for London...

And yes, there wouldn't be a free France without the USA as well as there would be no USA at all without France. They don't owe anything to each other. What's the bid deal to be playing like kids nowadays... "I'll boicot your cheese!" "I'll rename my fries!" "Give me my statue back!" That's too silly...

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"War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." - Jean Dutourd, French veteran of both world wars

"A mon fils: depuis que tes yeux sont fermes les miens n’ont cessé de pleurir." - Mère française, Verdun

Please help me, perhaps i dont know enough about European History:

1)When did French Troops Enter:
Belfast?
Copenhagen?
Oslo?
StockHolm
Helsingfors? (Helsinki)


Please help this poor American, who is soooo indebted to the French, learn more about the all powerful French Military...


CvM (The American Pain in the Ass)


side note, going back to the War of 1812, I was born in FT. Wayne, make my connection [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Well they didnt reach Dublin or Belfast but the French and their allies certainly caused us a pain in the bum. Scotland too.

Wolfe Tone. The Society of United Irishmen was founded in Belfast and Dublin in late 1791 to unite Protestants. Catholics and Dissenters (Presbyterians) desiring democracy and emancipation Some Northern Presbyterians were fearful of extending political rights to Catholics but were reassured by Theobald Wolfe Tone that Catholics were capable of responsible government. The key element of the Society’s thinking was the separation of Ireland from Britain's sphere of influence. In 1793 Tone went to France via America and attempted to convince the Paris Directory to invade Ireland. In 1796 a 1,200-strong French invasion force arrived in County Cork to assist the United Irishmen, catching the government unprepared. However, bad weather prevented the French from landing.



Rebellion and Aftermath in County Wicklow. General Humbert landed with 1,000 French veterans on August 23 1798 and defeated numerically stronger Anglo-Irish forces at Collooney and Castlebar. Joseph Holt's guerrillas in Wicklow were the only sizeable body of rebels in the field when the French arrived, waging a ruthless war against loyalists and the military. The threat they posed was underlined by their capture of Aughrim on September 19.

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Your kidding about this aint yer Cv? Napoleon as well as invading most of Europe had his relations on most of the thrones as well.

Copenhagen was where Nelsons phrase I see no ships was coined...

Meanwhile, and perhaps very unusually, France succeeded in denying Britian access to Denmark and destroyed two English armies in the process, once by the Dutch army on Copenhagen reinforced by Frogs and a second time by a French force. To explain, France bid for control of Denmark, won, and then deployed the Danish Cav. corp on the 'island', with the remainder of the Danish army in Copenhagen, thus enabling a crossing to Copenhagen. To make matters worse the foolish English did not have a very big fleet blockading the sea area and landing its army, and the Danish fleet managed to drive it out. The English then failed to win the seige, and the French reinforced later that turn from the mainland (albeit with a costly forced march). Exactly one year later the English landed two corp on Copenhagen and were defeated in an open land battle, and thus destroyed because they could not retreat onto ships.

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William L. McGonagle, MOH, U. S. Navy, Commanding Officer, USS LIBERTY 1967.

That's why I said nearly all capitals. The important ones. I don't need your sarcasm nor your ironny. Just accept that the French helped a lot to the foundation of the USA as well as they were an awesome military power in the last four centuries. And as well as Germany and the USA all had their victories and setbacks. All these nations -what's really important- have overcome that and became stronger and had learned from History, I hope.

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"War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." - Jean Dutourd, French veteran of both world wars

"A mon fils: depuis que tes yeux sont fermes les miens n’ont cessé de pleurir." - Mère française, Verdun

I do hope that was meant for CV and not me Friedriche.

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William L. McGonagle, MOH, U. S. Navy, Commanding Officer, USS LIBERTY 1967.

Friedriche, dont know if you have seen this report today???

Almost 200 years after they froze to death during the epic retreat from the gates of Moscow, some 3,000 soldiers from Napoleon's "grand army" were finally given a proper burial yesterday.

With the French tricolour fluttering over a Vilnius hillside while diplomats devoted speeches to the unification of Europe, the remains of the young men from all over Europe were laid to rest in a Lithuanian cemetery reserved for national heroes.

The remains were discovered by accident two years ago when building workers uncovered a 100 sq-metre mass grave, the biggest such find in Europe from the Napoleonic wars, containing the bones and skulls of around 3,000 males, some as young as 15.

Vilnius, where Russians, Poles and Germans have joined battle for centuries, served as a base for the biggest army yet assembled when Napoleon embarked on his ill-fated Russian campaign in midsummer 1812.

An army at least 500,000 strong and gathered from the subjugated nations of Europe crossed from what was then the Duchy of Warsaw into Russian-held Lithuania in preparation for what Napoleon expected would be the Tsar's capitulation and a mighty blow to the defiant "nation of shopkeepers", the British empire.

The miscalculation was colossal. Of the 500,000 who sped into Lithuania that summer, 50,000 made it back as far as Vilnius the following winter. The Russian disaster was the war's turning point, as it was for Hitler 131 years later. Within three years, Napoleon had met his Waterloo.

The remains buried yesterday in white plastic bags were of some of the soldiers who reached Vilnius in December 1812, only to perish of cold and hunger.

Anthropologists and archaeologists who have been examining the remains for the past 18 months found little evidence of wounds. Many of the dead were curled into the foetal position, indicating a slow death from exhaustion and cold.

The speaker of Lithuania's parliament, Arturas Paulauskas, told assembled dignitaries that yesterday's ceremonies were to remember "those who did not return home, but who never lost sight of the clear skies of France".

In fact, it is believed that at least half of the dead were non-French, since the ranks of the grand army which invaded Russia included Portuguese and Poles, Croats and Germans, Spaniards - and even Lithuanians, who welcomed Napoleon in Vilnius, hoping for deliverance from Russia.

Jean Bernard Harth, the French ambassador in Lithuania, drew a parallel between 1812 and 2003, referring to Lithuania's 90% backing in a referendum three weeks ago for joining the EU next May.

"Napoleon was on a quest for a united Europe, but it failed because it attempted to unite a continent by force," the ambassador said. "Today, we see this dream of a united Europe coming true because it is done peacefully."

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William L. McGonagle, MOH, U. S. Navy, Commanding Officer, USS LIBERTY 1967.