e.g. MOBAT, WOMBAT etc.

Does anybody know much about them?

The Wombat is a 120mm recoilless rifle. It was roughly the equivalent of the US 105 recoilless of the late 50's and 60's.

That much i already knew MOBAT was the predeccessor to WOMBAT, used in the 50's (towable by the Champ!), again 120mm, you can tell the two apart from the breech, one slides down to relaod and one swings to the side. But I'd really like to know more about the whole series of them and all the dates and such.

Flozi,
Think the Wombat was replaced in the late 70s by the Carl Gustav-don't quote me though.

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WOMBAT was used in the Falklands [img]tongue.gif[/img]

And Carl Gustav is man portable whereas WOMBAT is towed, and a heck of a lot better at taking out tanks I should expect, but don't quote me on that either!

What I'm particularly interested in is dates of introduction, armour penetration, range etc., but information on them seems extraordinarily scarce.

Should have known that, my mate was in the Falklands with 21(?)ADR !
I'll ask him when he's back on in a wee while. He was REME, so he'll probably have that info.

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Cheers in advance

Flozi,
Sorry, my mate only used Carl Gustavs. Try the military gun and ammunition website.
www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/

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Gordon

[ 26. March 2004, 11:19 AM: Message edited by: The_Historian ]

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Ah well , I've found someone on the net who trained on MOBAT and WOMBAT, so hopefully they will shed some light on things

So far I have seen references to four guns in the series:

L1 BAT
L4 MOBAT
L6 WOMBAT
L7 CANBAT (which I have seen mentioned only one with no other details)

The L1 replaced the 17pdr at battalion level in the anti-tank role (Battallion Anti Tank) in the very early 50's (source - http://users.chariot.net.au/~jahill/army1.htm), MOBAT came along a little later and WOMBAT sometime after that, the L4 and L6 both being used in Aden.

i also found out that the MOBAT weighed 1700lb's ( ), but thats of no use to me

EDIT: actually it seems BAT was Bridage AT, but i knew that WOMBAT was Weapon Of Magnesium Battalion AT, sorry [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 26. March 2004, 04:09 PM: Message edited by: FLOZi ]

Sorry for the double post but I thought it warranted it:



here's a picture of the L1 BAT, from http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWantitank.htm, which suggests it was perhaps around slightly after the end of the war.

I got the reply from the guy I emailed too:

I'm beginning to suspect that MOBAT was BAT minus the gunshield and perhaps some other carriage changes (as it has the same breech), and WOMBAT was a new gun made of magnesium (thus being much lighter) for the paras. I saw another site of memoirs with a BAT (and Oxford carrier; what sort of timescale is that?) on so I will perhaps email the writer of that too.

EDIT: The Oxford Carrier was a late 40's design, used through the 50's, but the guy whos site i saw it on (http://homepage.mac.com/barrybloke/lightning.html) with a BAT started his two year national service in 1954, so that gives me a good time reference. Seeing that a BAT was towed by an Oxford whereas MOBAT was towed by (or even mounted on) a mere little Champ seems to fit with my idea that it was a lightened BAT, perhaps the MO denotes MObile. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 27. March 2004, 08:14 AM: Message edited by: FLOZi ]

Flozi,
The two squaddies in the pic appear to be wearing 1949 pattern battledress, which would date the pic somewhere between 1951 and 1964.

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Cheers That seems to fit with what I know

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/AV...alleryBSW.html

According to this WOMBAT replaced MOBAT in July 1964, and I know that the MOBAT was in service at least by 1960 ( http://www.austinchamp.com/-theregis...-5400/5319.htm )But a four year service life for it looks rather small.

Ok, here is a bit of history on the Wombat et. al.
The origins of British development of recoilless guns started about the middle of WW II under Sir Denis Burney. His designs grew from an original 4 gage shot gun into a 7.2" rifle using his special "wallbuster" shell. This gun was intended for use by field units in demolishing fortifications during the invasion of Europe.
Other recoilless rifles that were under development at that time included a 3.45" shoulder fired model and a 3.7" AT gun on a light wheeled tripod. A number of these weapons were being produced for the invasion of Japan.
Post war, Burney produced a 4.7" recoilless gun on a two wheeled trailer (the gun faced the hitch and a light shield was included) and a similar 7.2" model. The 4.7" gun was adopted by the British Royal Armament Research and Development Establishment in 1946 - 47 as the BAT. The design went through a number of changes that variously resulted in the CONBAT, MOBAT and, finally WOMBAT. Only the WOMBAT was formally adopted for service use that appears to span from about 1950 to about 1990.

Thanks, thats great!

MOBAT at least saw active service though, funny that it wasn't formally accepted

Wombat, Weapon of Magnesium etc etc.

I served with 2 Para Anti Tank platoon on several occasions and took part in the A/Tank concentration competition in Hohne in `78 (which we won although we were using Conbats at the time.)

The main difference was a very cumbersome carriage which allowed the Conbat to be towed behind a 3/4 ton L/Rover. The Wombat was some 1000 lbs lighter (650 lbs),and therefore could be mounted on a stripped down. Portee LandRover. Obviously, in this configuration, it was far more manoeverable. There was a manually operated winch assembly on the Portee which helped drag the weapon back onboard after firing a dismounted action. Having said that, it could be fired off the back of the landrover when stationary. There were four Ready Use 120mm rounds contained in an assembly behind the driver for this. The Conbat had a true breech loading mechanism. A lever was pulled and the breech dropped down under gravity to allow the round to be loaded. The Wombat on the other hand, simply had a venturi which hinged open to allow loading. Both rounds were fired electrically and not by the use of a firing pin. Each round had a "contact band" around its base. When the spotting rifle achieved a hit, the main trigger (button), was pressed passing an electrical charge from the firing needle assembly to the contact band. This fired the main armament. Because it was electrically operated, people used to get "twitchy", when in close proximity to radio equipment in case there should be a premature, electrically initiated, firing of the round.

The BANG from these buggers going off was awesome to behold.

The round contained 28lbs of HE and could seriouly ruin your day if you were a Tanky!! When you were hit, you stayed hit. A near miss would supposedly kill or concuss the crew of a tank. The range was 2000 mtrs if the strike of the spotting rifle could be seen (because at 2000 mtrs, tracer in the spotting round will have burnt out.)

I heard that an AP round was available but never saw one. Neither did I ever see an Illume round though they did exist.

A real Beast of an Anti Tank weapon which really looked the part when mounted on a Portee Landrover. Limited in range by modern standards, but bloody hell, what a BANG!

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