Welcome and apologies to nazlie75

[JCFalkenbergIII]

Originally Posted by nazlie75

.yup,maybe Hitler did some bloody genocide

Just a little helpful advice here . It is statements like this that some may take as Pro Nazi. Hitler didn't "maybe" try "some" genocide. He DID try to commit genocide. And he was responsible for Millions and Millions of deaths. There is no "maybe".

[Skipper]

Good to see that see you guys are getting along well.

[nazlie75]

My bad Skipper...definitely not maybe..still learning though..right, he (Hitler) commit and guilty for the sin that he did..

[Tomcat]

Now lets just hope that we havn't scared this fellow off with all the rules and regulations of the forum, he was hit pretty hard by them, just because he likes the Germans during the war.

Yes we know that the Germans were a great war machine during ww2 with some great weapons with many flaws as all do, we should not however be to hard on him just because he does not know the truth about them, such as the Tiger.

Sorry all, its just that I think we jumped to warning him about the rules a little to quickly with no basis as to the warning, which appears to be purely based on his name and his interests, for one I personnaly agree with him about the German army. If I had to chose a side I favoured I would say them, however I do understand the true facts about each of the German Weapons whether it be there pros or cons.

By saying this I do not wish that the war had ended any different, just that I admire what the Germans achieved with there limited resoucres and the sheer fact that they were against essentially, the world.

[nazlie75]

Originally Posted by tomcat

Now lets just hope that we havn't scared this fellow off with all the rules and regulations of the forum, he was hit pretty hard by them, just because he likes the Germans during the war.

There nothing to be scared in these world..sometimes rules play it major part's.As a civilize people,i might follow with open heart..but we also have have to remember that sometimes we been hit pretty hard,but it doesn't mean u lost..that impact might help u to stand up and walk again...of course y'all think that i am some Nazi+German freak(bcus i from Asia and don't know the truth bout what happened in that Europe ),but don't think i am not the matured enough to think wisely bout the good and bad that those Nazi's did.
I look into those Nazi's side in the aspect of humanity,that all.Jst like the same from the view of American GI,British,Canadian,Aussie's soldier etc to this war..


This what in my mind when i look at those nazi's soldier while their are fighting in e.g Russia,Afrika etc..

"How can those guy's go to far away from their fatherland and end up dead?"
"Do their mother blaming Hitler or the Nazi by sending their son's to the hell?"
"What the end up for those man when the Nazi's surrender"
"Is there any German Nazi who has some kindness heart?"or all of them are are cold hearted like their leader.
"What if the place that they surrender was in Russia and how they will manage to go back to Germany".
"What if we at their place?wearing those uniform,fighting for nothing jst to follow an order of Hitler,world against us?are we man enough to do that??
"There no welcome home celebration to those man because their nation already broke into two"how the felt bout it?


that's all man...salammmm
p's-the spirit of Datok Bahaman will always be in this vein..
never say surrender...

[Tomcat]

Originally Posted by nazlie75

There nothing to be scared in these world..sometimes rules play it major part's.As a civilize people,i might follow with open heart..but we also have have to remember that sometimes we been hit pretty hard,but it doesn't mean u lost..that impact might help u to stand up and walk again...of course y'all think that i am some Nazi+German freak(bcus i from Asia and don't know the truth bout what happened in that Europe ),but don't think i am not the matured enough to think wisely bout the good and bad that those Nazi's did.
I look into those Nazi's side in the aspect of humanity,that all.Jst like the same from the view of American GI,British,Canadian,Aussie's soldier etc to this war..


This what in my mind when i look at those nazi's soldier while their are fighting in e.g Russia,Afrika etc..

"How can those guy's go to far away from their fatherland and end up dead?"
"Do their mother blaming Hitler or the Nazi by sending their son's to the hell?"
"What the end up for those man when the Nazi's surrender"
"Is there any German Nazi who has some kindness heart?"or all of them are are cold hearted like their leader.
"What if the place that they surrender was in Russia and how they will manage to go back to Germany".
"What if we at their place?wearing those uniform,fighting for nothing jst to follow an order of Hitler,world against us?are we man enough to do that??
"There no welcome home celebration to those man because their nation already broke into two"how the felt bout it?


that's all man...salammmm
p's-the spirit of Datok Bahaman will always be in this vein..
never say surrender...

I am glad you never took offense to the early judgement and glad you stayed

Wow those are some pretty serious questions you got going there, the SS Divisions were great soldiers, well trained and equipped and unfornately all SS were treated like Nazi's, considdering in the beginning to be in the SS you had to be a Nazi, although I am sure not all were fanatical.

[macrusk]

Welcome, Nazli. You have certainly created an active introductory thread!

There are a lot of knowledgeable members on the forum, and I'm certain you will learn from them. As tomcat, mentioned you have some interesting questions.

Re the German soldiers caught in Russia. My knowledge is hearsay, but my parents were with the NATO forces in Trier Germany during the 1950s. Dad was a WWII Canadian Veteran and my mother a Londoner. They lived in the Hotel Luxembourg. The husband of one of the women was a German soldier who was kept as a prisoner of war by the Russians through abt 1956. He came home in the condition of a man twice his age, and only lived for another 2 years after his return. This man was not a nazi, just a soldier.

My parents always made it clear that there were nazis and there were the German people, some who didn't want war and others who made mistakes in believing in a government that turned out to be evil. On the other hand, my mother could never bring herself to be as forgiving to the Japanese who killed her cousin in a particularly barbaric camp.

I hope you will enjoy the many discussions you will probably be involved in on the forum.

[nazlie75]

Still standing here Bro..i ain't goin nowhere..my main reason to be here is all about gaining the knowledge ..

Macrusk,as a family man,i deeply sorry for that German lady and this also goes out everyone who lost their love one in any war..

My deepest sympathy to your mother and her fam bout their cousin that being killed by the Jap's.

[Za Rodinu]

Originally Posted by Otto

One thing I like about this Forum is that many people join up with a somewhat limited perspective on the war, and over time realize that there is a world beyond tiger tanks and the waffen SS. And this happens without brow beating anyone, rather it happens with exposure to solid info and solid sources.

Way to go!

Originally Posted by Tomcat

...the SS Divisions were great soldiers, well trained and equipped and unfornately all SS were treated like Nazi's, considdering in the beginning to be in the SS you had to be a Nazi, although I am sure not all were fanatical.

Mind you, Tomcat, the W-SS were under serious difficulties, they could not recruit every warm body they wanted, that was why they had to resort to forming Ausdeutsche or even entirely foreign troops, like Flemings, Dutch, Norwegians, etc, even Muslim Kroats!

Later on after 20 July 44 (have to check) they were able to draft from wherever they wanted, so a lot of people who simply had no simpathy for the Nazi cause found themselves with an eagle on the left arm.

As for equipment, not even that is entirely true, you have to be more careful. Of course the W-SS PzGren divisions in II SS-PzKorps at Kursk were brought up to strength as much as possible, but for instance in the Campaign of France the vestigial SS contingent there had to content themselves with Czech light machine guns, for instance, because the Heer was not going to provide them any better.

As Terry Gardner uses to say, truth is much more interesting than fiction, or words to the effect.