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Old May 5th, 2008, 01:31 PM
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My opinion on this is that the British did good as for holding onto it. Rommel broke a rule in war. Never leave the enemy entrenched behind your lines. He would then have to split up his forces to lay siege while he moves forward. He should have concentrated everything on taking Tobruk. This would have given him a forward supply base with port facilities. He again made a recklesss decision much like forcing the cancellation of the invasion of Malta in favor of using the Luftwaffe at El Alamain. Rommel was a great tactician but a lousy strategist.
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Oh as for the mighy powerful british carrier fleet near the end of the pacific war, That just caused more problems than good, To sya they did so good against the kamikazis is utter BS, The yanks had been the ones to spill there blood to find out how to deal with them, Not to mention, The powerful carrier fleet the brits had, just drained more resources. The yanks by this time had over 100 carriers of different types and sizes. It was just plublicity for the brits.
Your statement is BS mate, British carriers had armoured flight decks, while American ones where wooden. A Kamikazi to a wooden flight deck will put it out of action for a long time, while all the British carriers needed was for the crew to push the wreckage over the side and fill the dent with quick-drying concrete.
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Your statement is BS mate, British carriers had armoured flight decks, while American ones where wooden. A Kamikazi to a wooden flight deck will put it out of action for a long time, while all the British carriers needed was for the crew to push the wreckage over the side and fill the dent with quick-drying concrete.
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Consider reading this article concerning armoured and unarmored flight decks.

Were Armored Flight Decks on British Carriers Worthwhile?
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Gallipoli, Fort Ticondiroga, the fall of Singapore, are a few major examples to name a few. My larger point is that the English had to be very innovative and organized in their expansion across the world. Such success comes with a price. Because of the large size of the British Commonwealth was also very ridged in their doctrine to a fault.
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Gallipoli, Fort Ticondiroga, the fall of Singapore, are a few major examples to name a few. My larger point is that the English had to be very innovative and organized in their expansion across the world. Such success comes with a price. Because of the large size of the British Commonwealth was also very ridged in their doctrine to a fault.
Such is the price for power. The British ruled some of the largest sections of the world.

Some overview mistakes from other countries.

The German Battle for Britain, The German Battle for Russia, The Russian Battle for Finland, Vichy France with their fleet, the Italians Vs the British in North Africa, The German 'super' inverntions (kingtiger, jadgtiger, V rockets, even battleships to some extent).
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[quote=Tomcat;287473]Such is the price for power. The British ruled some of the largest sections of the world.

Some overview mistakes from other countries.

a) The German Battle for Britain, b) The German Battle for Russia, The Russian Battle for Finland, Vichy France with their fleet, the Italians Vs the British in North Africa, c) The German 'super' inverntions (kingtiger, jadgtiger, V rockets, even battleships to some extent).[/quote]

a) This was all the fault of Göring !
b) I'd say not a mistake, but rather a mistake for invasion season
c) These were all good, the V's (many took these desings) were a wonderful design, the Jagdpanther was the best WW2 tank, better than the Tiger (I)I. They should have stopped the producment of these Tigers I.
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Such is the price for power. The British ruled some of the largest sections of the world.

Some overview mistakes from other countries.

a) The German Battle for Britain, b) The German Battle for Russia, The Russian Battle for Finland, Vichy France with their fleet, the Italians Vs the British in North Africa, c) The German 'super' inverntions (kingtiger, jadgtiger, V rockets, even battleships to some extent).[/quote]

a) This was all the fault of Göring !
b) I'd say not a mistake, but rather a mistake for invasion season
c) These were all good, the V's (many took these desings) were a wonderful design, the Jagdpanther was the best WW2 tank, better than the Tiger (I)I. They should have stopped the producment of these Tigers I.
a). Even so, a German mistake.
b.)Again still a german mistake.
c.)the V rockets were a waste of time, unless they could be properly coordinated like a modern ballistic missile. I only meant the heavy tanks I meationed and similar ones.
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Where do you think the modern rockets come from? Same as the Stealth Hunter and more planes/tanks..
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Where do you think the modern rockets come from? Same as the Stealth Hunter and more planes/tanks..
I am in no way doubting that the Germans contributed many great weapons of today but the weapons in terms of Germany winning the war were mistakes and a waste of military and industrial power.
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