colt1911ma1 or a luger

what's the best a colt or a luger

 

I prefer the Colt ,45 Myself not as accurate and it kicks like a mule But it will stop a man cold in one round.. and its reliable

 

give me a luger, it would blend in with my other german WWII gear. LOL

 

how are we to decide? what is best differs from the situation at hand.

 

Why? What do you think? Both will kill you just as dead.

 

100% accurate comment

 

Whats better Slingshot or Blowgun??

 

slingshot, rocks are bigger

 

Sorry. The questions are towards thompson. Its nice to ask questions. But a little more imput would be nice. For example, what are your views and opinion on the subject? The M1911 was in production and in service far longer then the Luger.

 

in Iraq My sidearm was a Colt m1911A1 series 70 national gold cup match.. it had an improved barrell and a larger magazine as this was a preban pistol... I hate the 9mm round and the beretta 9mm m92s is a piece of junk. The iraqis respected the THUNDER when i fired it in the air at checkpoints to get theyre attention LOL

 

A coupla good comments on the subject.


"To make this judgement one must first define the role of the sidearm. For most European armed forces, a sidearm was merely a badge of rank (if you wore a sidearm, you were important}. The Americans saw a sidearm as a weapon of last resort and issued it liberally to both officers and enlisted.

If one views the sidearm from the American viewpoint, the .45 ACP sidearm was certainly superior. If one reviews the sidearm from the European viewpoint, the question is unimportant."

"Shooter:
I'll tell you some things you may not know about both pistols.
First, chances are that if I took you to the range and handed you my Luger P.08 in 9mm parabellum (9X19), you would probably overshoot the target at 25 yards. The reason: The P.08 has an "acorn" front blade sight and a V notch rear sight. If you line up the top of the front blade with the top of the rear notch, you would be holding grossly over. It requires lowering the tip of the front blade into the extreme bottom of the rear notch to align line of sight with line of bore at 50 meters. This sight picture is called "taking a fine sight." There is only room for 1 shothole on the tip of the front blade...a very accurate system.
The original 1911 had a tiny front blade and rear notch, which you would hate, but when properly aligned with front sight tip level with the top of the rear notch, the pistol was dead on at 50 yards, and the tiny, narrow front blade allowed only 3 shot holes across its top surface. Our modern sights (such as those you and I use) allow 33 .451 shotholes between the sides of the rear sight notch. That's why we have to take great pains to get a "halfmast bull" and hold centrally to get into the X ring.
The Luger is inherently more accurate than an "as issued" WW-I 19ll because of the sight arrangement. The 1911's accuracy is predicated on the tightness of the bushing on the end of the barrel and the proximity of the barrel's underlugs to the slide stop pin. A loose barrel can be pushed down at the exposed portion in the ejection port.
The terminal ballistics of the 235 (in those days)grain bullet was far superior to the 124 grain parabellum round. (Later Frankford Arsenal switched to a 230 grain fmj bullet.)
The 1911 would function after some abuse in "no-man's land", but the Luger was, and is, very prone to malfunction.
While the 1911 was issued in a full flap "suicide holster", the Luger's holster was even worse, being deeper to protect the fragile pistol from intrusion of foreign matter.
If we had brought one of our modern 1911 pistols to the Western Front, it would have been a source of wonder to all concerned.
I personally believe that there is no contest here.
One thing: 8" barrel Luger pistols (Langpistole) was issued to NCO's of machine gun units. Some had two extra magazines and others had a 36 round drum. Tactically, this was to cover the gun crew while they changed belts.
If you havent read McBride's book, he said that a soldier with him on night patrol bashed a German in the head with the butt of an 8" barrel Luger he picked up for a souvenir. Mac said that was the only Luger he ever saw that had "knockdown."

Was the 1911 or the Luger the Most Effective WW-I Pistol? - The Aerodrome Forum

 

Yep my sidearm is Only a weapon of last resort at CLOSE range..... now my M-4 carbine thats MY Daily driver so to speak LOL

 

isn't the 5.56x45 round a bit underpowered?

 

i refuse to answer or respond to anymore of your weapons threads or debates

 

Whats best?

More pointless, innane topics like this?

Or actual historical discussion?


Sadly I think I know the answer... Man this place has gone downhill.

 

Let's do this. You let me put a couple of "5.56x45" slugs into your body at useful pistol ranges, and what's left of you will tell me if it's underpowered or not

Mausie, may I remind you that Mike the Mortarman earns his life drilling holes into people using a number of calibres starting from 5.56x45 going up. He sould know a thing or two about that, shouldn't he? If he carries that gun is: a) because that was what he was issued with by Uncle Sam, b) because he's proficient with it, c) because he feels and knows the gun is adequate for the purpose intended.

 

The original question is too cursory, and some of the answers miss the point of this section of the Forum.

As this is a 'MILITARIA' thread then I would suggest that we are viewing the two weapons as 'collectables'. Both are undoubtedly significant military sidearms but perhaps the Luger has a greater mystique which gives it more cachet in a collection of Militaria. Lugers were almost obsessively 'souvenired' in both World Wars and became cherished trophies - and numerous books have been written about the Luger story, production, usage, etc. It is also very interesting to study as an example of gunsmithing whereas the Colt is a simpler design.

Now, as to which is the more effective, has greater stopping power, makes the biggest 'bang'....those discussions are maybe best left in the 'weapons' or 'FFZ' sections of the Forum.......

 

"what's the best a colt or a luger"

And I did ask him to clarify what he meant Martin. He has yet to clarify what he meant by "Best". And in what regard.

 

i understand what your saying, but i asked him what he thought about it but i think he took it as if it was offensive, and i not saying it won't do the job, but Ive heard countless times that it was underpowered, and Ive shot the 5.56x45 and Ive wrongly compared it to a 30-06 in the past.

 

the 5.56mm round fires at a high velocity and it tumbles when it hits soft tissues and rips you apart rather then massive shock damage like the 7.62mm.. both will kil ya dead...