Americans an the fight against the Nazis

The Nazi party wasnt born from some Aryan invasion myth. The Swastika is an old Indo-European symbol that many cultures including Germans have used. During the 30s a Czech political party also used the Swastika.

 

When I stated trumped up in the original reply I wasnt trying to White-Wash Nazi undertakings throughout the Eastern Front or the extermination of the Jews. Im not saying that Nazis shouldnt be called "Evil" but when they are called "Evil" perhaps things should be looked at from a Russian/Slav/Jewish point of view rather than a WASP/Anglo point of view because their attempts at Lebenstraum werent directed at us so to speak. It was the Russian people who fought the true fight for freedom against a brutal regime whilst being under the hammer of an equally brutal one which is something that isnt given the acknowledgment in the West it deserves.

 

globius;
I have read that many people thought of the whole Aryan debacle as somewhat ridiculous. Maybe they didnt, im sure theres members on here with more knowledge on how the general population viewed Hitlers/Himmlers racial politics.

Off course every non Nazi (about 70% of Germany's population) was laughing at this - but they were not in power, and those who laughed openly found themselves in Dachau or Buchenwald.

Lebenstraum wasnt about Aryanism, more to do with the settling of Germanics in Eastern Slavic lands.

I see. First off all I mentioned Lebensborn - that is Nazi promoted prostitution and sex between Arians in order to obtain even more pure Arian kids - which were then send to Nazi controlled institutions in order to be raised with the "correct" attitude.

Lebensraum - livingspace- was the propagated reason for war against mainly the Slavic race. Exterminate most of the slaves and keep the rest illiterate as laborslaves for the Arians who would be the new Landlords of the former slavic lands.

Yes they existed. Theres a topic on here called "Mischlinge" which means there must have been a more liberal, an i stress liberal element of the Nazi regime otherwise all those individuals would have perished.

The only reason why they existed was simply because they were of a timelimited use to the Nazis or they were too prominent in order to be exterminated at that point of time. Most German cities averaged at around 15'-20000 inhabitants - means everyone knows everyone - and it would have been hard for the Nazis to exterminate a highly decorated German Jew from WW1 since 70% of the population were not Nazi believers.

Some very smart Nazis were also taking into account that sooner or later Hitler would loose the war - however as long as possible they still wanted to make some profit out of this - so they kept what is termed in German an "Alibi Jew" one who would later talk nice about a specific Nazis. (his guardian and livesafer)

Perhaps things should be looked at from a Russian/Slav/Jewish point of view rather than a WASP/Anglo point of view because their attempts at Lebenstraum werent directed at us so to speak.

If I catch you murdering someone, I don't have the right to call you a murderer? only the guy you murdered? is that your logic?

Do you mean "British Jews" or the British in general.

What is the difference to you between a British Jew, British Gypsie, British homosexual, British comunist, British mentally handicapped to a British?

Kruska

 

I'm American and I do not see it being my responsibility of being the moral police for the world. If I were you I would watch the stereotyping. Three times the US was relied upon to turn the tables in a world conflict. It was not by choice. WWI, WWII and the cold war. All heavily dependent on America's industrial and military might.

You portray the Soviet Union as an evil enemy and yet attack the one country strong enough to stand against it. If you view Americans as a people who feel it is their moral obligation to go around and police the world, it is because of world has made it so with attitudes like yours.

You cannot have it both ways. If the Soviet Union or any country is evil and destructive and threatening world peace, then why not nip that problem in the butt and take action beforehand instead of allowing that enemy loose? Oh I see, that is cracking the moral whip that should not be done. I suppose that us Americans should keep our hands to ourselves, let the enemy do their thing until we are call upon (again) to save some country only to be thrown out without so much as a thank you.

Believe me, Americans do not see themselves as the policemen of the world. The American soldier is fed up with having to pay for real estate in blood only to give it back. Get a grasp of reality and post something worth knowing.

 

Had not heard of lebensborn.

Timelimited. Perhaps, they did need the manpower. I dont think Mannstein would have ended up in ditch with a bullet hole in his skull.

Do you know how spread out the Jewish population was in Germany ? I assume they would have lived in their own enclaves in the larger cities.

 

More American foreign policy rather than the people.

People jump to conclusions a little too quick. Im not Anti-American or anything of the sort. I realise without America Australia could easily be invaded. I often point that out to Anti-American Aussies who would like too see your country taken down a notch.

Heh ?

Anyway this thread is more becoming a flame war, perhaps it should be locked. I dont think Ive quite conveyed myself as originally planned, lol some of you are problem thinking this guys a discreet Nazi.

 

globius;
Had not heard of lebensborn.

Now you have and it wasn't a joke

Timelimited. Perhaps, they did need the manpower. I dont think Mannstein would have ended up in ditch with a bullet hole in his skull.

I wouldn't know about Mannstein being a Jew, but what I know ist that Rommels death was covered up as "died due to battle injury" and the former most powerfull Nazi and Head of the SA - Ernst Roehm" was murdered and this justified as being a homosexual.

Do you know how spread out the Jewish population was in Germany ? I assume they would have lived in their own enclaves in the larger cities.

Some off the bigger cities still had certain strongpoints of Jewish registered streets but on the whole they were umongst their German countrymen just like anybody else. Many were not even known to be Jews before the Nazis branded them as such.

I am still waiting for two of your answers regarding my questions to:

Perhaps things should be looked at from a Russian/Slav/Jewish point of view rather than a WASP/Anglo point of view because their attempts at Lebenstraum werent directed at us so to speak.

If I catch you murdering someone, I don't have the right to call you a murderer? only the guy you murdered? is that your logic?

Do you mean "British Jews" or the British in general.

What is the difference to you between a British Jew, British Gypsie, British homosexual, British comunist, British mentally handicapped to a British?

Kruska

 

So let's say a dude is kicking you in the nuts, and you're fighting him off, but you cant because he's insane. He just keeps stomping your boys.

Then, we'll say that along comes another guy who sees what's happening and helps to stop the guy from crushing your cubes. Eventually, the two of you fight him off together.

Are you saying that the guy who helped him stop hammering your gonads doesn't receive as much credit because he wasn't the one getting his baby berries bashed? Either way, repeated shots to the groin were stopped - regardless of who received them, each deserves equal credit since both saw the inherent evil.

What if the two of you couldn't defeat him? By the time that guy finished smearing your grapes, who's to say he wouldn't have changed his attitude and turned on the guy who came and helped and decided to beat his dice into dust? In one way or another - you were all at risk of further ball busting.

Obviously a very simplified representation... there were at least 6 or 7 people getting their cods hassled inreal life. I had to put it only the way a Marine could.

 

Yes of course of you do.

 

But the dude getting his gonads stomped, stomps Gonads in his own neck of the woods.

The guy getting his gonads stomped had already started winning by the time you got there so no you dont deserve all the glory. Your either there for the whole fight or not at all- some famous guy said that

I guess thats whats called a catch 22. Screwed whatever decision you make.

 

The guy that stomps gonads in his own neck of the woods is his own business. The other guys has been going from street to street beating balls - he is more of a concern to me and as such I am forced to pick the lesser of two evils. You're stuck in the "enemy of my enemy" situation. The Soviet Union, while doing evils of its own, was really kicking itself in the balls - thats his business.

I don't want someone who I've seen kick several guys in the balls have the chance to kick me in the balls when he's done with all the others.

 

So taking what you said here I guess it doesn't matter that Hitler declared war on the US. We wern't there in sept. 39 so we had no right to be there in 42-45
As far as I know it is common knowladge that the US had allies during the war. and no we don't take all the credit. I have never heard anyone say that we didn't need British help, or Australian help, or Canadian help, or Insert country heres help. As far as Americans shouldn't crack the moral whip, then next time your country asks for help after a natrual disaster or god forbid actual invasion, then fight your own fight, we can just stay home

 

Did want to say it, did not but glad you did.

 

Globius seriously needs to do some research, anyone who can't see that the Nazis were bent on eradicating every part of the worlds population that they disagreed with is wearing blinkers.

You've been fed some propaganda and fallen for it hook, line and sinker, old son.

 

:fuse: :feedtrolls-sign: :alarm:

 

Totally agree with you Ike.

Also, I think Globius is disguising his real feelings towards Americans and the British for that matter.

 

A big Amen, to that mike.

 

The Russians became our allies when Germany turned on them and attacked them. It's not like our two countries got along at all.

And as for your number 2. How can you say that the war couldn't have resulted in our extermination?? The original plan was for the Japanese to invade Hawaii. You think they would've stayed away from the mainland once in hawaii?? They weren't able to keep the war on our turf, because we took it to them.

 

This thread is reaching an unheard of high level. Noah is building the Ark anew!

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All I can say is it's a good thing Mortman's not here.

I'm a pretty easy going guy and even I'm pretty pissed at this yokel. I'll bite my tongue.