Nazi undertones

Folowing the DD OF Dark ice, the question has to be asked with MORTMAN in mind he was also DD why when mortman posed on more than one occassion the obvious leanings towards nazism by the likes of Dark ice and others was nothing done sooner

 

If you want to try running something as complex as an Internet forum mate then go ahead.
If you don't then leave the Mods & Admins alone to what can be a complex and trying business. Bannings and background 'discipline' make rubbish topics for conversation, and I know for an absolute fact the chaps here make a better fist of it than most, sometimes in the face of much complaining from those with axes to grind, so why stir the pot?

Too much politics of all kinds here of late, (guilty of it myself)... Not nearly enough WW2.

Cheers,
Adam

 

I agree Adam. I will have to tap into Kai's sources and post some juicy tidbits.

 

I guess that would be one of the side effects of having a "Free Fire Zone" where anything can be discussed . Though of late certain posters seem predisposed to have to discuss politics LOL.

 

I agree to but as so many posts of mine on ww2 are unanswered i thought i would try asking what seemed a fair question in the FREE FIRE ZONE

 

Praise in public. Punish in private. Its not the board in general's need to know why someone was TOSSed.

 

Thats is something I have lived by at work for years

 

Well said, I have next to nothing to do with the way things are run but I am lucky enough to see the mods in action. Suffice to say that there are a few people on here who work bloody hard to keep things ticking over, they do a fantastic job in their free time for very little reward other than that of keeping the forum functioning. Sure they can't be everywhere at once and sometimes a decision needs a little thinking about so reactions can be slow but hey, thats how these things happen.

So yeah, well done guys and keep up the good work!

 

"Though the mills of God grind slowly, yet they grind exceedingly fine."

 

And so you did. No politics eh VON POOP my arse there is more politics on here than you can hit with a swinging cat in a bloody toilet

 

:headbash:
Before you chose to attack it may perhaps have been wise to Read what I said and actually understand my point mate.
There's far too much sodding politics of late.

This place has soared in terms of quality WW2 information in the past, it has been fascinating and stimulating and offered genuine insight into real historical subjects. It has even been intimidating (a good thing to be mildly intimidated by levels of historical discussion/knowledge in my opinion, that's often how one learns stuff).
However of late people seem determined to come on and discuss almost exclusively modern political/entertainment/current affairs, or whinge about their oh so unfair treatment after asking some odd question, sharing a bizarre opinion, or making an unsubstantiated point, to the detriment of the genuine hardcore ww2 hotbed it's capable of being, and really can shine at.
All this bickering on about modern and unanswerable political issues that nobody will ever agree on can damage forums when it dominates over the core subjects, combine that with bleating over getting no answer to questions that could have been easily googled by the 'askee' in 30 seconds & a cut and paste culture with no genuine thought or considered input and the result runs the risk of being asinine and catering to the absolute lowest common denominator.
As for the 'point' about FREE FIRE ZONE, then might I posit that some chaps would show more respect for this fine place if they made more effort to discuss/chat at least vaguely WW2-related subjects than take the easy post-whore route of adding yet another self-indulgent political rant/blurt to the steaming heap that I know from experience deters many fine amateur WW2 historians.

There are dozens of political forums, hundreds of entertainment forums, this one is a WW2 forum, one of the best, and in my opinion it would be delightful if the overall balance returned to that subject.

Cheers,
Adam.

Apologies, cross-posted with Jeff above.

 

Not that I care much for politics then by your reasoning the Sports and Athletics forum should only be related to WWII sports?

 

What on earth does anybody care about the Sports and athletics area? What does that have to do with the forum's main point.
It and the free fire zone etc. should be ancillaries to the WW2 headings, not the single most active areas.
When WW2 is the bulk of the 'conversation' then those areas are fine and friendly backwaters, essential to the friendly interchange, but when they rise to acidic dominance as they seem to have of late then the superb WW2 forum that attracted me and others in with it's sheer depth of WW2 discussion and sharp historical insight is cheapened.

Cheers,
Adam.

 

I agree with most of what Adam von Poop says. Granted, the FFZ is open to all subjects, and it should not overshadow the genuine historical interests or historically related areas (wargames, modelling, etc).

I am pleased to note that contrarily to other forums I know where the equivalent of the FFZ pullulates with all kinds of people who then have no ability to set their teeth in the 'serious' subjects, I don't think we see much of this in this forum: people who post in the FFZ also post useful material as well.

We all like to vent our spleen once in a while, especially me, and the FFZ is fine for that. However if the same poster balances his off-WW2 posts with topical content, then I'm perfectly happy.

I'd be more concerned with the Twilight Zone ("Where Pigs Fly and Nazis Win"), where some elements thrive who simply fail to make an appearance elsewhere

 

This is a World War II Forums, afterall, but I think the current political affairs in the United States is the cause for a lot of this Political Talk.

We also can't say that 75% of your posts have to be WWII related as that would be virtually impossible to monitor.

As has been stated in the past, we do not talk about Banned Members or why they were banned. When Rogues cross the line, after numerous warnings, they are dealt with. Its the ugly part of being a Moderator, but makes this a better place for the rest of you.

You may notice that I do not post as much in threads beyond say the Gaming Section (which is my baby) but a lot of what I do is 'behind the scenes' work, banning Trolls/Nazis, deleting Spam, deleting threads, enforcing What If... Rules and keeping you Rogues in line. The other Moderators do much of the same, and its a full time job for us that we do out of the kindness of our hearts to Otto.

I have been a member on this Forum for virtually as long as Otto has. I have been here through the good times and the bad, and have scene this Forum grow from its infancy to what it has become now, and all thanks to Otto. This forum is not overrun my Trolls, Neo-Nazis, or Spammers - largely again thanks to Otto due to all the software etc he has running on this site and also in part due to the work of the OKF, whom Otto has hand selected over the years, and new additions to the OKF are usually elected by Commitee these days, as Otto still has a lot on his plate.

There is no place or need to berate the Moderators/OKF. If you have a complaint, send it via PM. If you don't like it here, then - simply put - leave.

 

Von Poop-While I agree with pretty much everything you have said here, there are a couple of items I would like to address.

-Well said!

-While I know you were not addressing anyone in particular, some of us have no other resources. While I do not know other folk's circumstances, almost all of my reference books both on WWII and other eras (and a lot of other irreplacable books) were damaged beyond use or repair during a move while they were stored in a warehouse with a moving company. So my only resource at the moment is the internet until I can rebuild my library, as I am just getting back into researching WWII. Now, I try my best not to "cut & past", but sometimes it is hard to paraphrase without sounding like all you did was rearrange the words. And I do believe the folks here are smart enough to see through that, so you might as well post what was said and reference the link. I have found several good sites to download WWII reference material and books, a couple are no charge and some charge. I will be happy to post if anyone is interested. I just wanted to let you know there may a reason folks use "Google" a lot. Besides, even the cost of used books is going through the roof.

And the use of non-WWII related threads.
-Again, while I understand you are not addressing anyone in particular. I have had a tendancy to post a lot there since joining. I'll refer you to what I posted in another thread. The link is the whole post. Below is 'my' reason for what I do. There is a lot to be read here and a lot of comments (mostly negative) about reading threads before posting information or questions to ensure it hasn't been covered already. Which is reasonable. It does take a lot of time for a n00b to read through everything, even just to post in one thread. So, IMHO if you want to post before you are done reading through everything, the only places left are the non-historical areas. That and sometimes it takes a while to research a subject before posting so you can 'back up and reference' your material in case someone wants to asks questions. Although, there are those that post crap just to stir the proverbial pot no matter what forum/thread they post in. They are more interested in getting a rise out of someone that having an intelligent discussion.
http://www.ww2f.com/new-member-forum/25818-i-joined-thread-got-shot-down-2.html

I just wanted to state how I felt about the subject and my reasons before someone posts a ffzone whore smilie next to my name. I do like to discuss politics, but it is not personal for me. Yes, "to be mildly intimidated" can be good thing for motivation to do research. Sometimes tho as Mascrusk has stated, folks just chop it off (paraphrased). If the idea is a free exchange of ideas, opinions and facts, wouldn't it be prudent to direct the person in the right direction (unless said person is being a putz) so he/she can learn? I thought that was this website was for. IMO if the person feels their input is constantly being put down or do not feel they are part of the discussion then, (constantly sloppy research with no improvement being a big exception) where else are they going to go short of leaving the website. For those that do not have the time nor inclination to "teach" someone then state so without an "off with his head" comment so that person will seek help. How else are they going to learn? I know I've learned a lot since I've been here and I'm still reading through historical threads.

There was no cherry picking in the making of this post. Just points I wanted to comment on.
Sorry for the novelette. My two kopecks worth.
Take care,
Salty

 

I for one am very happy here for many reasons which I will not bore you with. I left a number of other forums because they were two one sided on the left or right and the moderators were.....well power mad. I believe the balance here is a lot better than those I left.

As Mussolini put it you have the option to leave.


Just my..... ....worth

 

Za, Musso & Salty,
All good stuff chaps, what matters to me most of all is that people actually care about this forum enough to consider the dangers inherent in a potential slide towards the purely political (or even rocket-powered Icelands) that has killed other large ones stone dead, & always remember it's for primarily WW2 discussion.

The cut and paste thing I had in mind isn't really what you describe there though Salty. What I mean is there's rarely any point in just whacking in a massive 'quote' with no comment or observation. Everyone can draw a conclusion and have an opinion and it'd be nice if people made the effort to do so (as you do) rather than just creating a macro version of the Internet as a whole within a thread, then you have a discussion rather than just spam. And if anyone takes real offence at a smidge of zarcasm or the odd hotter than average historical disagreement then it might be best to stay away from the internet as a whole.

One of the most important points mentioned above by Musso regarding querying the day to day running is 'respect the Otto'. We play in his back garden (me more than most ), he pays the bills and we have no automatic right to query him and his Mod's disciplinary decisions. Having run his other forum for a year now I promise you Stirling Moss's analogy of the duck applies; looking smooth and serene on the surface but paddling away like crazy beneath.

By the way, I've enjoyed this thread... sometimes good to just say exactly what you think out loud rather than sitting fuming.
"Don't go gently" and all that.

Cheers,
Adam