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Chill out Stefan your sounding like a stiff ironing board. :lol:

Urgh, slip a whooping cushion under Stefan.

 

Sorry, just so used to having to wade through crumbs spat out in rightious indignation at this kind of thing that maybe I have gotten a little too serious.

 

Well i for one am flabergasted... If i could remember my mp's name id write a letter..start a petition..march..break into an army camp... Well i would but im saving meself for the next anti aunty demo. Who needs common sense.. Dont be common., be british damn it... Oh and ban the bomb.

 

Common sense is a fantastic misnomer!

Actually I've seen two brilliant examples of the right thing being done recently, the first one was a soldier who was told he couldn't have a parking permit for his mothers street whilst he was in Afghanistan because it wasn't his place of residence, this got as far as the local MP who turned up at the office of the guy responsible breathing fire and had the decision reversed and arranged for the parking to be free. Now, there is no real reason why he should have done that, it isn't the bloke place of residence and actually saying no to the parking permit was totally legitimate, however it wasn't a particularly pleasant way to treat a serving soldier and so the reversed it.

Another great one, a doctor was late back to his car because he was the only person on duty and was treating a child who would have died otherwise. He got back to his car 14 minutes late and was given a ticket. He found the warden who said he was sorry but he couldn't reverse the ticket however if he called the council and explained they would cancel it. The doctor called the council and was told these didn't constitute mitigating circumstances and so he couldn't be refunded! Again this got to the MP who exploded and is now after the blood of the jobsworth in question as well as the details of the doctor so he can apologise and offer him some sort of free parking to make up for it.

We do have a pretty good MP though!

 

Civil servants and common sense I think that is expecting too much.

Regards
Kruska

 

Thats my whole point in all these silly stories lou although stefans 2 are at the lower end ...the fact that someone sits down and passes these things accross their desk or pc...would you do it? Would i do it? Yestday 86 pound fine for a mother who overstayed time at babies cremation, later dropped,. But someone did it in first place.. Would any of us here do that?

 

Lou, 1 MP, in both cases.

Urqh, the thing is I can understand how these things happen, 90% of the time it comes down to procedure. Someone is faced with a situation and has a fairly prescriptive list of courses of action, they do as close to what the book says as possible and it backfires. Now fair enough it was probbly a silly thing to do but on the other hand in a world where not doing things by the book risks prosecution from below or punishment from above is it so surprising.

What I am trying to say is that however much we may decry these jobsworths, they are a product of a system we have created. If people don't do things by the book they get sued or fired, why should we be surprised when people don't apply common sense in a world where common sense is punished?

 

Hello Stefan,

I don't quite agree on this one.

Unfortunatley due to the vastness of laws governing our lives it is impossible to precise those laws down to the last step. Therfore a certain range for decisions is given - and for some reason certain individuals who have the P O W E R to rule decisions tend to make use of their P O W E R.

Regards
Kruska

 

Stefan that is understood and again is catch 22.. Society changes and moves on.. Not always for the better... Many years ago if someone had told me i would turn into me dad and his dad id have laughed it off... Now i know what they moaned about., common sense isnt about to make a comeback so god help you lot at my and riches age.. Meanwhile mate me the leftie and that right wing rich will moan until you scream.

 

None of the cases mentioned are anything like that though, both the cases I mentioned and that which Urqh brought up are clearly cases of someone blindly following the rules to the letter. It isn't about power because none of them show someone exercising any power, simply following the rules with no application of common sense.

 

Off course they are since a PM can't break or override the law - however the PM did override the decision since it was based within the range of a given decision spectrum.

It's the definition of mitigating circumstances that gives the POWER and obviously someone used his POWER to define these.

Regards
Kruska

 

Sorry, I think you have missunderstood, there are clear guidelines for what constitute mitigating circumstances, this wasn't on the list and so didn't count. These rules are laid down by the council itself therefore the MP could override the decision because he was higher up the chain. The minion who made the initial decision was simply 'following orders,' doing things exactly by the book, this is not exercising power, it is doing your job albeit in a shortsighted manner.

 

the brits need a good uprising to set things strait

 

Thanks for that...

 

Im all for complaining dear boy....a good ole letter to the times of course...a petition...maybe...an uprising?? And I'll be putting my bayonet up the backside of anyone foolish enough to instigate such...And a kick up the jacksey to go with it.