When my dad was alive, we had a discussion about healthcare. He agreed it needed change. If you're lucky, you work for a company with a healthcare benefit. The poor have medicare. Unfortunately, there is a large group that don't work for companies able to afford to give their employees a health benefit, make too much for medicare, and can't afford the sky-high premiums for their own health insurance. Dad said it kind of fell under two of the Normal Rockwell paintings: Freedom From Fear and Freedom From Want. He said we are a nation, and a nation looks after it's own. We pay taxes to defend our own against enemies. Disease and injuries were enemies. Dad was at Pearl Harbor during the attack, and was shipwrecked once in the South Pacific during the war.
Whether or not health care for all is a good thing or not isn't the point - the point is that by FORCING everyone to PAY for HEALTHCARE, the Federal Government is violating one of the most basic rights as stated by the Constitution of the Country. And Kerrd5 - the rich should not be forced to take care of the poor. The US is also far from being a 'rich' country - look at our debt.
I suppose this passage of the health care should squelch all wants, needs and demands for reparations, right? What? Slip and Lou and Brndrt abandoned this thread....
MUAHHAHAHAHAH!!!!! THE THREAD IS OURS!......THE THREAD IS OURS!!!! Abast ye all who shall dare to post.....strike the colors...hoist the Jolly Roger!!!!
Moderators, Please Please don't close it just yet!!! I've got a short attention span and like to check in once in a while to see how things are going. Also since I just posted you'll really give me a complex by shutting it down if mine is the last post again. Was it something I said? Time heals and cool heads will prevail. Besides I Googled health care bill and got over 89 million 'hits', and counting. Health Care Cost only received 28 million by the way.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. " - Benjamin Franklin My last statement on the seizing of the private medical care sector of our economy by the imperial federal government.
Not a slip, simply my dyslexia acting up (think one word, spell a similar sound word) though at the current rate, the Government is going to own all the companies, so maybe not a complete slip up.
Tex, thats a very strong statement mate and I know you feel angry about this (or at least, thats the impression I'm getting). The thing that I cant understand, And I plead ignorance on this is how many Americans place individual liberty above all else, then possibly States rights above the needs of the Nation, yet whenever the Stars and Stripes are shown, go all patriotic. They love their country yet hate their Government. but the question I ask is this to all of you: Is it the actual machinations of Government you hate, the bureaucracy of Government, the faceless officials who stay in power whatever party has the majority or is it that you just dont like the Democrats/Republican and use the term Government to describe them? This isnt any sort of a loaded question, I'm merely trying to understand what you guys mean by "government".
You guys would love talking to my coworker who is very involved in Politics. The Federal Government has been doing un-constitutional things for years (including taxes) that violate and exceed their powers that are laid out in the constitution. What good is a Constitution if the group it is supposed to police (the government and what it can do) constantly violate the laws and get away with it?
The constitution does not specify Health Care as something that the federal government can decide upon - it is vested to the states and to the people to deal with health care, not the federal government (as stated in the constitution). (see my post from the 1st page with the link/article in it).
I suggest that trying to kill Congressmen who voted for this bill is a bit much. (This post has been rewritten several times to avoid violating our rules here.)
Selectively applying strict versus loose interpretation of the Constitution is a handy thing, isn't it?
Again I ask, just what do you mean when you say Government, is it Democrats/Republicans or bureaucrats???