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DefenseLINK News: President Urges Muslims to Denounce Violent Extremism

Saudi King Denounces Extremism, Touts Islam's 'Moderation and Tolerance' - July 17, 2008 - The New York Sun

Statements Against Terror

The American Muslim (TAM)

CTV Toronto - Canadian Muslim clerics denounce extremism - CTV News

Obama Adviser Praises American-Muslim Anti-Terror Cooperation as Protesters Denounce King Hearings - FoxNews.com

Just about all religions have their share of "crazies", to say others sit back twidling their thumbs is far from the truth.

 

Crazies are not the same as armed militants. So, are there now more than 10000 muslims out of the 1.5 billion coming out against the militant terrorists?

 

Define "crazies" then since from the impression I got from the news articles you posted, you were talking about extremists of various degrees.

Are you asking if there are more than 10,000 Muslims coming out against the extremists? I don't know and it's impossible to know for sure, I just linked to articles that had prominent figures speaking out against those who took the religion [Islam] to the extreme side. How many Christians are against terrorism with their own faith? Jews? Hindus? Buddhists? Sikhs? etc, it's safe to say the majority likely don't condone violence but they might not be extremely vocal about it in the way figureheads from their communities could be.

 

Its been quite a while since a nutjob of Pat Robertson took down a plane or a skyscraper.

 

But they have been bombing abortion clinics (as well as various other things revolving around abortion), instigating violence in Uganda, and various other things, there are also Neo groups in North America, Europe, etc that have ties to the religion. Wasn't McVeigh's bombing also tied to extremism? Just because a plane isn't involved doesn't mean it isn't terrorism or extremism (both in an ideological sense and "physical" as well). Something to keep in mind is that various events can be traced back to certain events as a means of retaliation perhaps. Does that mean it's justified? Not really.

 

While here in America many people tend to overlook the bombing of clinics, or not count them as terrorism, I do. I also believe that the deranged/mis-guided "Christian" who shot Dr. Tiller in Wichita Kansas, while he was IN CHURCH also committed a terrorist act as well as a criminal one.

It was designed to strike fear and terror into other physicians who are providing a legal service to their communities. That was admitted by the man on the stand in his own defense, if that isn't an act of terrorism I don't know the meaning of the term.

But we are getting far afield here, recently there was a "riot" at a Christian Church in Egypt, but it wasn't politically motivated, no matter how some might wish to tilt it in that direction. It was based in a love story, a Christian and a Muslim who fell in love, and their families objected. The inner-family fight escalated into a riot at a church, but it wasn't Muslims against Christians exactly. It was a family problem that got WAY out of hand.

 

You make some good points Mehar.

McVeigh tends be a poor example of a "Christian Terrorist", as much as people tend to think he is. He had a bone with the government over the handling of Ruby Ridge and Waco. And although he came from a Catholic family, his last statement to the world was the poem "Inviticus", a far cry from "Jesus is my lord and savior".

I will give you Uganda and the abortion clinics though, and I must admit I know little about the former.

On the latter though, I promise to be the first one taking the streets in vocal protest and outrage if the number of those incidents even marginally catch up with terrorist attacks and attempts in question.

 

Well I'm sure if someone were to compile a list of terror related events in North America over the course of European colonization you could get a decent list. September 11 is perhaps the largest known terrorist group in living memory for us North Americans. Before the "terrorists" (meaning, the group society was told to be on the lookout for) were Arab, they were Russian, before they were Russian, before they were Russian they were British, etc.

On Uganda, look into a group known as The Lords Resistance Army. It's kind of like a Christian Al Qaeda but it's primarily focused around Uganda.

On the subject of terrorism, I read in the paper this morning that there was a terror in America exhibit opening this week, in Pennsylvania I think?

Edit: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ca...qM5i92HvUmZbhoCmYQIXs-NNnEGblSA?docId=6171713

 

Carefull, telling our younger members you 'read the paper' will only confuse them

 

I studied Islam the funny thing is that Muslims are suppose to treat christains and jew with respect.

 

Right, but Mr M and/or his early followers changed their minds when the Christians and Jews rejection Mr M's theology. Then things got , well, ugly.

 

Islam and Christianity have both been taken out of context and twisted to fit the needs of radicals. I find that Islam is more specific whereas Christianity leaves alot to interpretation.

 

The final days of the good ol' newspaper.

 

Hey I read the news paper everyday on my way to school its not confusing to read if you have common sense.

 

I am glad to hear it, but the modern newspaper has been overtaken by the 24 hour cable news, which itself is being undercut by the Internet. I can remember a time when every good sized city had at least 2 daily papers, now just one is having to struggle to keep going. Watch a 'developing' story on a major news channel and see how much changes in just a 12 hour period.

 

Here in Montana I am able to access any number of my old "stomping ground" newspapers, they haven't "got broke" and the 24/7 tv and internet haven't done them in. They are available free on the internet, but (big BUT), if you want access to their archives you have to subscribe to them online. I however, simply read them each week to see what is going on in my old areas, like central and northern Montana. Even the little papers like the Liberty County Times (Chester MT) has an online edition I can peruse every week.

In Billings there was always only one real "paper", but we just got to 100,000 population recently, so don't hold that against us. There are a couple of other "kind-sort-a" papers that have always been around, and there is a separate newspaper (Billings Times) that is the "official" newspaper for government and legal notices. It has nearly nothing else in it. That one is sort of weird, you have to buy it to check out legal notices that might affect you personally in the county/city area, and those aren't covered by the Gazette at any time. Odd. But that is the law here.

If you want to see just which papers are available "online" in the US, use this locater.

Goto:

http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/usstate/usatable.htm

It is fun.

 

More progressive action in the ME:

Palestinian Terrorists Stab Three Israeli Children and a Baby to Death While They Sleep, Gaza Residents Celebrate by Handing out Candy and Sweets…

(Ynet) — Gaza residents from the southern city of Rafah hit the streets Saturday to celebrate the terror attack in the West Bank settlement of Itamar where five family members were murdered in their sleep, including three children.
Residents handed out candy and sweets, one resident saying the joy “is a natural response to the harm settlers inflict on the Palestinian residents in the West Bank.”
The shocking attack occurred around 1 am as the terrorist entered the family home and murdered three children aged 11, 3, and a baby girl along with their parents. The victims were apparently sleeping as the killer came in.
The Hamas movement accused the Palestinian Authority’s security apparatus of arresting three of its activists near Qalqilya and Jenin.
“The report of five murdered Israelis is not enough to punish someone,” said Hamas Spokesperson Sami Abu Zuhri, adding, “However; we in Hamas completely support the resistance against settlers who murder and use crime and terror against the Palestinian people under the auspices of the Israeli occupation soldiers.”
According to an unverified report, Fatah’s military wing — the al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades — claimed responsibility for the attack. A group spokesman told a Palestinian news agency that a terror cell infiltrated the settlement of Itamar and committed the attack.
The spokesperson stressed that the attack “came as a response to Israel’s continues hostile policy toward the Palestinian people.”
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Looks like clear sailing ahead for democracy.....

 

Bull puckey, connect the dots "texson". They don't exist. Or do you think that "weasel" whatever is a real news source?

 

PM urges Abbas to 'stop incitement'; int'l community slams Itamar killings - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

US condemns killing of five Israelis in Itamar attack

Victims Indentified as Family of Rabbi Fogel of Yeshiva Itamar - Defense/Middle East - Israel News - Israel National News


Clint, this happened ...even the WH commented on it. It's not a fake story or source

Wonder if Rep Ellison will shed a tear for this poor family?