Do we already have a thread about the myths of WWII ,and,if not,it is possible to start such a thread ?
I think a general myths thread would be a total mush. Perhaps a thread in the various top level categories as appropriate and see where they go?
Well I suppose that we could start. Singapore's guns that "could only fire out to sea" is one. The Zero was so good that Allied aircraft couldn't take them on. (Wildcat, P-40 etc) That Pearl Harbor was a sneak attack without warning is another.
Heh. I heard a new one awhile back, from a guy who's been generally rather intelligent, up until this point: his explanation for the reason why the F4U had gull-wings was not that it made for easier folding/storage on an aircraft carrier, but that the prop was so big that without the gull-wings, the prop would eat the deckplates. I honestly just had to sit there with my jaw on the floor when he said that.
Ummm...thats actually correct. The Corsair was to have the biggest radial available 2000-2200 Vought/Goodyear - Coupled with a prop that could "use" that sort of horsepower. The prop would strike the deck when it pitched forward on landing/contact..The gulling pushed the aiframe up and yet allowed for short, thick and sturdy landing gear that every carrier based aircraft need. - No myth! Oh and if it "was" about folding wing (thats the myth) most carrier aircraft would have gulled wings.
I would tend to agree with you on this. The discussion would be so intermixed that it could be difficult to follow.
How about the MYTH that the Tuskegee Airmen never lost a bomber under their protection? Erich has pointed that fact out many times here.
Freebird, I'm giving a talk on "Pearl Harbor and Modern Mythmaking" next month, so I'd appreciate it if you shared your thoughts about without warning. Whatcha got?
Well, I'm usually the first to admit when I'm wrong, but I'm also the first to not take Wiki as the absolute truth. LOL I knew it had a big prop, but if it was that big, the thing would never take off, since the plane levels itself for a short period as it builds up speed, just before lifting off. Or so I've always thought. The gull-wing was, I believed, something of a design experiment, since the planes following it had straight wings that folded up along the side of their fuselage, instead of up and over. Well, ya learn something new every day!
Hi Opana. No I'm not talking about "PH was planned by Roosevelt as a Masonic plot" or something like that. They didn't exactly know that Hawaii was to be attacked or the date of hostilities, what I'm saying is that by the fall of '41 it was becoming increasingly obvious that there was going to be conflict between the US and Japan There has been a lot of hyperbole about the Japanese attack, described as "treachery" "underhanded" and such, but this seems to be mainly spin. The leadership may only have expected some conflict in the PI or Far East, but there had been enough warning in the weeks leading up to PH so that a prudent commander might be prepared. I don't think most people know all the details about the July '41 oil embargo, but after that Japan's options were limited, and unless they accepted humiliation and backed down, war was almost inevitable.
Well, myth-making doesn't always involve conspiracy theories, of course. For example, there's a resolute core of people who believe Kimmell should have been retired as a full admiral. That honor is reserved for those who did an absolutely outstanding job while they held that rank. As for the embargo, Japan did have more than one option. They could have done what they were forced to do after the war, develop without aggression. If they had done so from 1939 without going to war just imagine where they would have been in 1945.
I found this report from 2007 At least 25 bombers being escorted by the Tuskegee Airmen over Europe during World War II were shot down by enemy aircraft, according to a new Air Force report. ... The 25 planes were shot down on five days: June 9, July 12, July 18 and July 20, 1944 and March 24, 1945, the Montgomery Advertiser reported. Report: Tuskegee Airmen Lost 25 Bombers - washingtonpost.com
WWIIGeneral WWII Myths(not to be confounded with the other ones) First,2 popular ones (at least in circles where intelligence is not very welcome) 1) The briliant (of course) German generals could easily win WWII,but were hindered by the intervention of the stupid Austrian corporal (of course) (popular at Stormfront and Venezuela) 2) The brilliant Fuehrer could easily win WWII,but was hindered by the betrayal by the general staff (popular at Stormfront) For those who are finding a contradiction between 1 and 2 :at Stormfront,contradiction replace intellect. 3)During the war millions of idle German women were willing to work for Fuhrer and Fatherland,but the stupid Adolf was preventing this.(popular with the Speer fans) 4)In 1942,the stupid Adolf did a good thing :appointing Speer as head of the war economy,it saved Germany a defeat in 1942 (popular with the Speer boys) 5)Germany lost the war,because the stupid Adolf did not listen to the advices of Speer (popular with the Speer boys) 6)Germany lost the war because of the extermination of the Jews 7)Germany lost the war because the nazi regime was inefficient 8)The SU would lose the war without Lend-Lease(popular in the US) 9)Lend-Lease was nothing (popular in Russia) 10)The US were giving the tools,the Russians were giving their lives (popular with nitwits) The hiding idea for numbers 5,6,7, is to search for a black sheep