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Libya no-fly zone

Discussion in 'The Stump' started by Richard, Mar 18, 2011.

  1. Richard

    Richard Expert

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    RAF jets to enforce Libya no-fly zone - Yahoo! News UK

    So the UN votes yes and the UK, France and America are going in with what sounds like but I can not confirm this, some help from the Arabs. Why now and not last month? Strikes me as too little to late and I just have a odd feeling there is more to this than meets the eye.

    Personally I think it stinks because our Prime Minister said safe guarding the national interest...oil.

    And now this...

    Ceasefire As Tornados Head To Libya - Yahoo! News UK

    Your move PM.
     
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  2. lwd

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    Well at first the rebels didn't want any help at all. Then they wanted a no fly zone. Yesterday they were asking for quite a bit more. So last month was probably too early last week it may have been possible. On the otherhand Libyan statments about going house to house and showing no mercy in the last day or so may have been what pushed it over the edge.
     
  3. formerjughead

    formerjughead The Cooler King

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    I read last night that the UN had voted for a No fly zone with the caveat of no UN tropps on the ground in Libyan territory. I was suprised to see this morning that Ghadafi had agreed to a cease fire. I was also suprised to see that Rodham-Clinton realized/ offered that in order for the US to take part Libyan Air Defenses would have to be neutralized (taken out) in a pre emptive move.

    Things just need to settle down over there.
     
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  4. lwd

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    No UN troops on the ground but it was more than just a no fly zone from what I heard. Air attacks on ground units were/are authorized. Ghadafi apparently has a healty respect for western airpower.
     
  5. Richard

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    The ceasefire according to reports is not true as the attacks continual, well they would until the West turns up. Maybe then there will be a real ceasefire, never the less it was the league of arab nations who said yes. Well then, why don't they go in and sort it out.
     
  6. formerjughead

    formerjughead The Cooler King

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    I think he's still a little jumpy from the last time he was visited.

    Bombing of Libya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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  8. C.Evans

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    Not respect, but awesome fear. Q-daffy remembers Ronald Reagan VERY very well. It fears that there could be a twin of a repeat and it doesnt want to lose its wealth, power and palaces--oh and its heard of sheep too.
     
  9. C.Evans

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    Well, the French started the ball rolling in that madits (it substituted for the rest of mad--which is man) backyard, with the US backing them up as well as the Brits. Q-Monkeys days are numbered/
     
  10. texson66

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    Really sad for the US to feel they have to do this to Libya. Q is crazier than Charlie Sheen and he is a terrorist and terrorist protector. But the US military has been asked to do way too much for too long ( and being socially engineered in combat conditions). I would prefer that the two sides slug it out on their own. We know the devil we have in Libya now; the rebels may be a lot worse.
     
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  11. syscom3

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    This should be a wholly European affair. Let them deal with it.
     
  12. C.Evans

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    Nope.
     
  13. JagdtigerI

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    This intervention in Libya by Western powers, the US in particular, is unacceptable and ill-advised. The US is trying very hard to promote the multilateral nature of the attacks and to hide behind UN Resolution 1973, but such factors are in reality quite negligible. The UN Security Council is poorly structured (far too exclusive) and dominated by the US, rendering any decisions produced by it to have titular value only. Furthermore, the attacks may be multilateral, but would not be nearly as effective without US presence; the mission's successes AND failures will ultimately be attributed to the US.

    Although propagated as an attempt to protect civilians (as all US interventions essentially are), the US has undeniable, hidden motives (as all US interventions do). First of all, let it be noted that there has been little attention payed to the violence against protesters in Yemen, Iraq, Iran or Bahrain (including military intervention by Saudi Arabia in Bahrain). Second, let us not overlook the seemingly-drastic change in policy by the Obama administration, which allowed the uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt to run their course without intervention (Libya is perhaps a different situation in terms of violence, but it is still just another uprising and we should not forget that Quaddafi's regime has been in power for over 40 years). Never mind the fact that the US is probably responsible for the deaths of more civilians than the regime of Qaddafi, particularly the over half a million infants knowingly killed while imposing sanction on Iraq in the 90s. There are also dozens of conflicts ongoing in Africa where we are seeing the deaths of civilians yet pay no attention. These circumstances (as well as the history of US interventions) provide ample reason to believe that the US has interests on its mind other than the safety of the Libyan people, and anyone to claim otherwise has to be quite ignorant.

    US-Libyan relations have long been strained and I think we should be very cautious of the US's actions from here on out as they may be driven by and agenda to establish another pro-US, puppet government in the region to counter balance the continuing unrest and protect the high-quality oil that is unique to the region. We must also consider the implications of such an intervention on both the legitimacy of the rebellion itself and on the image of the US in the Middle East. As I began to explain above, interventions of the kind we are seeing now, threaten to undermine the motivation of the people and the solidarity of the cause, as well as to take the revolution off course. The US needs to allow any transferral of power in Libya to be free of Western influence, a notion that may already be improbable. Furthermore, if the US was truly interested in national security, it would not continue to assault Arab nations, inciting anti-US sentiment. Any money used towards intervention in Libya would be far better spent on building a green infrastructure in the US in an attempt to lessen our deadly dependance on foreign oil.
     
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  14. Skipper

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    a quick summary.

    countires taking part in the coalition are

    France,
    uk,
    usa,
    Belgium, Holland, Norway, Qatar. (sorry if I forgot someone)

    Italy and Greece allow the use or their airfields.

    France has close bases in Corsica , Tchad and can also hit directly from the French mainland within 2 hours (with refuelling) . It will also send an aircraft carrier tomorrow. France has launched airstrikes as early as yesterday .
    Britain and the USA have dispactched fregates and subs and launched Tomohawks on tripoli.
     
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  15. belasar

    belasar Court Jester

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    I find myself in the rare situation of both strongly agreeing and disagreeing with your post. I am with you on the contradiction of punishing Libya, but not Bahrain or Saudia Arabia for essentialy the same acts. I am part way with you on investment in green tech. But the idea that this all part of grand American power play for world domination is, in my opinion, well off the mark. It is Europe that is driving this intervention, not the US. They desparetely need 'Libyan Sweet crude' for thier deisel engines. The strong European military involvement showes how much this means to them.
     
  16. Richard

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    Ok so they were pleading and beaging us to put a no fly zone and now they they are critizing us??
    These are precision strikes I seriously doubt thier are any if very few civilian deaths.....
     
  18. JagdtigerI

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    Fair enough, I merely said that we should be cautious of the US's role in this conflict. It does not appear to be at the point where the US would begin to play a visible role in the structuring of a new government, but somewhere down the road it might. US citizens are simply far to quick to forget the conflicts of the Cold War in which the US claimed to be helping "the people" much as they are claiming now.

    http://i.imgur.com/e3eAw.jpg
     
  19. Martin Bull

    Martin Bull Acting Wg. Cdr

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    Just a thought about the effectivenes of the '86 airstrikes : were they before or after Lockerbie ?
     
  20. syscom3

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    You cant win for losing with those clowns. Just another example of the dysfunction in the arab world. And further proof the more we isolate ourselves from this part of globe, the better we will be.
     

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